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SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Apr 02, 2025 2:38 am So does this put to bed Lombardi being the real boss then?

B. wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 7:32 pm I've seen the charts listing Catena as consigliere before but have never known what to make of it. A lot of guys have been named as having admin spots in the late 70s and early 80s, it still being unclear in some cases exactly who held which spot and when. I don't recall any member sources or wiretaps we've seen from the 1970s or 80s naming Catena as consigliere but that doesn't mean there wasn't one.

I believe Leonetti has Manna as consigliere by 1980 when he represented the Genovese Family during the aftermath of the Bruno murder but I don't know whether Manna was actually the consigliere yet or simply representing the admin before he officially stepped up. Cafaro did say Manna was consigliere in 1980 though.

Even though there is no basis for believing the Genovese had a consiglio, the way they operated in the 1970s and 80s was almost as if they did. There was basically a panel of senior and upcoming leaders who made decisions together.

In Vincent Cafaro’s 1988 affidavit, he stated that Antonio Ferro replaced Salerno as consigliere in 1976 when Salerno became the underboss. Cafaro also stated that Dominick Alongi replaced Ferro as consigliere in 1978, with Louis Manna then replacing Alongi in 1980.

Stroccos wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 2:07 pm

sdeitche wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:45 pm Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

Oh, did not see this one.

sdeitche wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:45 pm Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

John W wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:57 pm

sdeitche wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:45 pm Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.

Any ideas when we can expect the book to be published?

sdeitche wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:45 pm Thought I'd share this interesting 'tidbit' I discovered, as I'm winding my way through the Catena book. In 1983, both federal and NJ State Police records list Catena as the official consigliere of the Genovese family. By 1985, he was no longer in the position on the fed charts (Bobby Manna took his place).

This was new to me when I first came across it. I've seen John Ardito and Dominick Alongi both listed as successive consiglieres in the late 70s/early 80s, then usually going to Bobby Manna (e.g. Cafaro says it was Manna in 1981).

Thought the group might have some takes.