THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Adam wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:52 pm

Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:12 am

7digits wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:50 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 am I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

he was willing to testify against his own brother, wasn't he jacks cousin ?

Yeah Nove never testified against his brother. Not sure where that's coming from. And I believe as part of his agreement he got the charges against his father dropped as well. He does claim that his father was really not involved in the case at all and just happened to be around a few times and got picked up on tape.

Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 7:12 am

7digits wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:50 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 am I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

he was willing to testify against his own brother, wasn't he jacks cousin ?

7digits wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:50 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 am I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

7digits wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:50 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 am I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

He never testified against his family including his uncle. He want related to the Jack or Tony Tocco. To compare him to Lindbloom is utterly ridiculous and laughable. Noves Uncle was the Underboss for 20 years and his Grandfather was the Boss for 40 years. He’s mob royalty, there’s no comparison between him and “Gunner”

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:48 am

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:17 am

Adam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:34 pm It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate. It was a possibility, it didn't happen. Nove has consistently talked about how the Detroit mob was setup to not have violence happen. He did mention how everyone went away....but their concerns were happening years earlier. No one got indicted until 1996. I really don't want to get into a debate about this, thought I was being helpful by providing some additional information, but things 40 years later in a podcast might not be exactly what they were thinking at the time. Just bear that in mind.

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:31 am I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but I don’t believe 90% of what Nove says. I hope Scott distances himself from this guy. I feel like he’s another Lindbloom. Only difference is that he was actually connected to LCN in some capacity. I don’t believe he would ever have the balls or brains to setup or make a move on Jack or Tawncy Tocco. This is a guy who turned on his own family. What a scumbag. I personally have talked to Paulie Corrado when he owned Dominics restaurant in Harrison Twp. He sounds like he has brain damage. They seem like the bottom of the barrel for the pool of Detroit LCN.

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:48 am

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:17 am

Adam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:34 pm It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

I'm not going to get into a semantic debate. It was a possibility, it didn't happen. Nove has consistently talked about how the Detroit mob was setup to not have violence happen. He did mention how everyone went away....but their concerns were happening years earlier. No one got indicted until 1996. I really don't want to get into a debate about this, thought I was being helpful by providing some additional information, but things 40 years later in a podcast might not be exactly what they were thinking at the time. Just bear that in mind.

7digits wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:17 am

Adam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:34 pm It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.

Nove in the latest episodes said and I quote “We did believe that things were going to serious” “Paul and I agreed that we wouldn’t go to any meetings without the other and we were starting to be extremely cautious” “ both times they attempted to walk us in and we took steps to protect ourselves”
“ things were going to get violent if we didn’t all go to prison”
“My Uncle didn’t wanna see things get bloody cause that would have split things wide open”

Adam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:34 pm It was an interesting discussion. I don't think he was saying they expected things to get violent, but that they could. And that he and Paul Corrado started taking more precautions and he thought a couple times he was being set up for something. But he and Paul Corrado were caught on tape talking about if things got to shooting who could they count on to back them. And they started listing names of people who would probably back them if they go to the "mattress"(and Paul Corrado did actually use that term.) But it was Nove, Paul Corrado, Paul Corrado's brother Pete, his cousin Pete Corrado, Nove's brother Joe, Jack Gianosa and an unspecified "Johnny" who I think is Johnny Sciarotta. But they also talk about how it'll never get to that point because Tony Zerilli and Tony Corrado would work it out so all their relatives aren't shooting at each other in the street.

But they're great tapes. Mentioning that Gianosa was out of prison for sure cause he was hanging out with Pete Tocco and Anthony Lapiana. And Paul and Nove talking about the difference between Jack Tocco and his brother Anthony as compared to guys like Jimmy Quasarano, Vincent Meli, Pete Vitale, Michael Polizzi and Tony and Vito Giacalone. It's an interesting read because it's a relatively modern recording of Detroit mobsters talking about Detroit mobsters and they all know each other.