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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:16 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:05 pm Reminds me of that book Sleepers where the author used real events to try to make you think he was involved. Total bullshit.

Highly doubt the outfit was recruiting 17 year old drug addicts to be top hitmen. Too bad this podcast and to use the name crooked county. That would be a great name for an actual legit podcast about the outfit
The irony is also that this guy was in fact out in DuPage County, but I guess that doesn't lend itself to the same puns (Du Payoff County??).

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:14 pm

Ed wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:20 am As I recall, Antiliar concluded that this source was, indeed, Wemette.
Antilliar concluded that CG-8534 was Wemette, and I agree (I recently cited some of the intel relayed by this informant in 1979 concerning Spilotro and Schweihs).

The excerpt that "7Digits" posted above was from Schweihs's FBI file, and of course the identifying codes for the informants there (and names of the agents handling them) were redacted. There were two informants, denoted as CG-1 and CG-3, in the excerpt. One of them *could have been* Wemette, certainly. These informants were interviewed in 1973. The earliest that *I* can say with certainty that CG-8534 was informing was June of 1974, though that doesn't necessarily mean that he hadn't started earlier (I don't recall offhand if Wemette was more specific in his book about when he started actually giving intel to the FBI).

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:05 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:29 am
PPPP wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.
He killed a made guy off the record? Of course he did. "Off the record" fits his narrative of his hard to prove stories.
And those arrests for "prostitution" i wonder if it's for soliciting a prostitute. Did he display those records?
You feel like there has to be some truth to it if a credible podcast company is giving him a spot. But then again, nobody is really paying attention anymore...
Reminds me of that book Sleepers where the author used real events to try to make you think he was involved. Total bullshit.

Highly doubt the outfit was recruiting 17 year old drug addicts to be top hitmen. Too bad this podcast and to use the name crooked county. That would be a great name for an actual legit podcast about the outfit

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:03 pm

Snakes wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:24 am
PolackTony wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:31 pm Manfredi wasn’t fat earlier in life, at least. Not sure about his weight when he was killed in ‘82. At least some LE sources claimed that he was hit on Aiuppa’s orders for bankrolling a narcotics operation that fell through with Aiuppa’s juice loan money — the idea seeming to be that the problem was less that the was involved in drugs, per se, and more that an operation he was connected to got busted and he lost a bunch of Aiuppa’s money. Presumably, if Aiuppa had ordered his murder, there would have been more to it than that anyway. Though it’s also unclear to me if there was any real basis for this theory or if it was just conjecture on the part of LE.

Given that there’s no statute of limitations on murder, why the fuck would anyone admit to such a thing on a podcast unless they had received immunity from prosecution in return for cooperating lol. That alone should answer any questions about this guy.
I can't look it up at the moment, but didn't Nick say Manfredi was killed without permission and one of the hits he was on was retaliation for it?
Thanks for the reminder. You're right. Nick C testified that the murders of Richard Ortiz and Arthur Morawaski were due to the unauthorized killing of Manfredi the prior year. The guy he discusses here, who was believed to have been the last guy to see Manfredi alive, and was involved in drugs and owed juice loan money to the Cicero crew, was Ortiz. The LE theory seems to have been partially right, in that it seems like it may well have been related to involvement with bankrolling some narcotics operations with juice loans, but Nick clearly understood this to have been an unsanctioned murder, hence the need to target the culprits. This is also another good example of the issue of claims published in the press from LE sources without corroboration by inside/member sources. So much of what we "know" (read, "think we know") about Chicago comes from the former and we have *very little* in the way of the latter.

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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Tonyd621 » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:29 am

PPPP wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.
He killed a made guy off the record? Of course he did. "Off the record" fits his narrative of his hard to prove stories.
And those arrests for "prostitution" i wonder if it's for soliciting a prostitute. Did he display those records?
You feel like there has to be some truth to it if a credible podcast company is giving him a spot. But then again, nobody is really paying attention anymore...

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:24 am

PolackTony wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:31 pm Manfredi wasn’t fat earlier in life, at least. Not sure about his weight when he was killed in ‘82. At least some LE sources claimed that he was hit on Aiuppa’s orders for bankrolling a narcotics operation that fell through with Aiuppa’s juice loan money — the idea seeming to be that the problem was less that the was involved in drugs, per se, and more that an operation he was connected to got busted and he lost a bunch of Aiuppa’s money. Presumably, if Aiuppa had ordered his murder, there would have been more to it than that anyway. Though it’s also unclear to me if there was any real basis for this theory or if it was just conjecture on the part of LE.

Given that there’s no statute of limitations on murder, why the fuck would anyone admit to such a thing on a podcast unless they had received immunity from prosecution in return for cooperating lol. That alone should answer any questions about this guy.
I can't look it up at the moment, but didn't Nick say Manfredi was killed without permission and one of the hits he was on was retaliation for it?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ed » Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:20 am

As I recall, Antiliar concluded that this source was, indeed, Wemette.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by 7digits » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:47 am

Any idea who these informants are?

I’m thinking that one of them could be Chicago Family LCN Associate/Street Tax Victim Red Wemette?




Residence


On March 29, 1973, CG Tel identified an
individual known as JOHN FECAROTTA, 201 Micheaux,
Riverside, Illinois, as an associate of FRANK
SCHWEIHS .


On May 1h, 1973, CG £-1 advised that on the
evening of May 12, 1973, at approximately 9:00 p.m.
FRANK SCHWETHS was obssrved meeting with LCN figure
ANTHONY SPILOTRO in a restaurant known as the
Godfather, 1925 North Lincoln, Chicam, Illinois, telephone
787-1797. CG T~1 advised SPILOTRO and SCHWEIHS
were ‘accompanied by an unknown white male who
appeared to be of Italian éxtraction. CG Tel said
that he heard that officers of the Chicago Police
Department subsequently went to the Godfather and
witnesses positively identified photos of SPILOTRO
and SCHWEIHS. CG T-1 said ANTHONY SPILOTRO departed
the restaurant and was seen entering a late madel
Lincoln Continental, white in color.

It is to be noted that during the above
period of time ANTHONY SPILOTRO was on trial in Chicago,
for the 1963. gangland slaying of LEO fOREMAN


CG 92-3665


Characterization


On May 29, 1973, CG T-3 characterized FRANK
SCHWEIHS as a-‘"hit man" for the Chicago crime syndicate.
CGT.3 advised that SCHWEIHS is one of several individuals
authorized by the leaders of organized crime in nieago
vo carry out gangland assasinations on a select basis


In comection with the above informtion,
FRANK SCHWEIHS has been characterized by local law
enforcement authorities and reliable sources as
an extremely ruthless,cold blooded,and malicious
individual with a violent temper. rT IS PELT THAT


EXTREME CAUTION SHOULD BE EXERCISED is ANY. CONTACT
WITH FRANK SCHWETHS..





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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by 7digits » Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:47 am

From the article:

Riverside Pain Management operated between January 2013 and March 2017 out of 28 E. Burlington St. Its office manager, Dr. Joseph Giacchino, had his medical license revoked by the state of Illinois in 2011 for improperly prescribing controlled substances and offering medications to patients in exchange for sex.

He was dubbed “Dr. Millionpills” by Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass after federal prosecutors described his then-Melrose Park clinic as a pill mill where powerful opioids were freely distributed to patients who ended up selling them on the street.

Even after being stripped of his medical license, Giacchino continued to operate his clinic in Melrose Park, and then in Riverside, hiring licensed physicians to keep prescribing controlled substances, allegedly at alarming rates.

One of the physicians Giacchino hired for the Riverside clinic was Dr. Paul C. Madison, who was charged with 2012 with medical insurance fraud. Madison was found guilty last November and remains free while awaiting sentencing.

Madison in 2016 also was an unindicted co-conspirator in a lawsuit against executives of a drug company who are accused of bribing doctors to improperly prescribe the fentanyl spray to boost its sales. Madison was the top prescribers of the drug in the state, according to court records.

The state stripped Madison and another doctor employed by Giacchino of their licenses in late 2016. Giacchino closed the Riverside location the following March.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by 7digits » Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:46 am

In 2017 it looks like they found a stash of drugs inside Dr Giacchinos office. This was the Dr that was included in the Civil RICO Lawsuit filed by Joseph Fosco

https://www.rblandmark.com/2019/04/05/n ... in-clinic/

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:31 pm

Manfredi wasn’t fat earlier in life, at least. Not sure about his weight when he was killed in ‘82. At least some LE sources claimed that he was hit on Aiuppa’s orders for bankrolling a narcotics operation that fell through with Aiuppa’s juice loan money — the idea seeming to be that the problem was less that the was involved in drugs, per se, and more that an operation he was connected to got busted and he lost a bunch of Aiuppa’s money. Presumably, if Aiuppa had ordered his murder, there would have been more to it than that anyway. Though it’s also unclear to me if there was any real basis for this theory or if it was just conjecture on the part of LE.

Given that there’s no statute of limitations on murder, why the fuck would anyone admit to such a thing on a podcast unless they had received immunity from prosecution in return for cooperating lol. That alone should answer any questions about this guy.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:10 pm

PPPP wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.
This sounds like bullshit to me. I believe it was implied that Leo Manfredi was killed off the record, but the guys who supposedly did it were later killed themselves. I don't think Manfredi was fat, anyways.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PPPP » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Tonyd621 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm

PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PPPP » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.

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