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NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:15 pm

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:04 pm Same. He used to answer any questions you had for him via email. I cant remember if it was in one of his videos but i asked him about Joey Aiuppa and if he had an any day to day cause he was out for year before he died and he told me no, he was basically locked out by the admin at the time and that he used to eat raw onions like apples in prison.

Mags gave that story of Aiuppa in the MCC having the entire cell block clear out when he used the toilet on one of the videos - not necessarily bc of his power either Per Mags, he ate raw onions and raw garlic outside of prison - and was infamous for terrible breath and talking close, which Mags implied he enjoyed to fuck with people and it was a subtle (disgusting) power move.

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:04 pm Same. He used to answer any questions you had for him via email. I cant remember if it was in one of his videos but i asked him about Joey Aiuppa and if he had an any day to day cause he was out for year before he died and he told me no, he was basically locked out by the admin at the time and that he used to eat raw onions like apples in prison.

Coloboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 6:48 pm It’s surprising to me that Fosco has never popped up in this forum. What an interesting day that would be.

Have any of you communicated directly with him?

Coloboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 6:48 pm It’s surprising to me that Fosco has never popped up in this forum. What an interesting day that would be.

Have any of you communicated directly with him?

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:04 am

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:51 pm

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:41 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:04 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:48 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:36 am

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:07 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:03 am

Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri

Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/8/1 ... ay-prayers

What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?

I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.

Besides be a drunk and pill head, he got arrested for shop
Lifting and stuff like that. Big embarrassment. Plus he was being groomed to really go to the top and threw it all away. The Fosco stuff was kind of the nail in the coffin for him in regards to having anything to do with the Outfit.

I’m sure he has some FBI 302s to his name

He's a pretty interesting guy. No doubt he was being groomed for something big. His dad was an Elmwood Park capo and a powerhouse. He drove Cerone and tells stories about playing golf with Accardo, so he was no doubt around the heavyweights and I'm sure they had big plans for him.

He went to college for a minute, so he was no dummy either.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:43 am Link to an indictment with Lee Magnafichi burglarizing a VFW Club about a decade after the conclusion of WW2 when those were major institutions. These guys were all real scumbags in their youth.

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:04 am

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:51 pm

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:41 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:04 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:48 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:36 am

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:07 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:03 am

Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri

Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/8/1 ... ay-prayers

What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?

I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.

Besides be a drunk and pill head, he got arrested for shop
Lifting and stuff like that. Big embarrassment. Plus he was being groomed to really go to the top and threw it all away. The Fosco stuff was kind of the nail in the coffin for him in regards to having anything to do with the Outfit.

I’m sure he has some FBI 302s to his name

He's a pretty interesting guy. No doubt he was being groomed for something big. His dad was an Elmwood Park capo and a powerhouse. He drove Cerone and tells stories about playing golf with Accardo, so he was no doubt around the heavyweights and I'm sure they had big plans for him.

He went to college for a minute, so he was no dummy either.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:51 pm

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:41 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:04 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:48 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:36 am

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:07 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:03 am

Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri

Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/8/1 ... ay-prayers

What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?

I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.

Besides be a drunk and pill head, he got arrested for shop
Lifting and stuff like that. Big embarrassment. Plus he was being groomed to really go to the top and threw it all away. The Fosco stuff was kind of the nail in the coffin for him in regards to having anything to do with the Outfit.

I’m sure he has some FBI 302s to his name

funkster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:46 pm I've said this before, but I still think Mags was saying things in those interviews to protect his old buddies. Stuff like outfit has no hand in gambling anymore since it's legal things of that nature. Also, he was one of the first people to hint that Gary Gags may have had more clout than we realized. As I recall he seemed spooked to talk about him along with a few others.

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 12:50 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 12:21 pm

Cosmik_Debris wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 12:01 pm Magnafichi's LinkedIn just made me laugh out loud.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-g-m ... -19614773/

Lieutenant
Chicago Outfit
Jul 1981 - Mar 2003 · 21 yrs 9 mos
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oversaw and organized a multimillion-dollar bootleg sports-gaming operation

Lol, holy shit! Maybe the only human ever to put that on a resume?

In all fairness, managing a multi million dollar book in that world would certainly gain you all kinds of inter-personal and management skills, it's just not something you would expect to find on a Linkedin page.

I like how if it wasn't obvious what the Chicago Outfit was, it links you to the Wikipedia page featuring a nice picture of Al Capone and the history of the Outfit.

HA!