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Re: News from Italy

by B. » Tue Apr 01, 2025 7:33 pm

If you Google image search "Giuseppe Madonia mafia" there are a number of photos available. Very well-known figure.

Re: News from Italy

by Shellackhead » Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:53 pm

B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:21 pm A big one was Giuseppe Madonia, boss of Vallelunga and part of the interprovincial Commission. He also played a big role in expanding the Sicilian mafia into Gela during that time and was a major force in the central and eastern parts of the island.

In recent years Castellammare boss Ciccio Domingo was still plotting revenge against Mariano Saracino, a member of his Family, for having supported the Corleonesi in the 1980s. I'd guess most Families had at least someone who was pro-Corleonesi as we see a lot of factionalism develop even within the same Family in the 1980s though I think for some of them it had less to do with being pro-Corleonesi and more to do with the opportunity to gain power.

A good way of thinking of the term "Corleonesi" in context with this stuff is the Castellammarese War in the US. Being part of Maranzano's "Castellammaresi" or Masseria's "Sciacchitani" didn't necessarily mean someone was from CDG or Sciacca, but that they were aligned with those factions. Joe Aiello was from Bagheria and Tom Gagliano was from Corleone but they were part of the Castellammarese faction along with many others.

Keep in mind that even though the Corleonesi were violent and treacherous, a key to building the alliance is they had a friendly approach. Pentiti have said guys like Riina and Provenzano were very approachable and kind face to face. That detail often gets lost when looking at the bigger picture of all the destruction they caused.
You got a pic of Giuseppe Madonia? I was reading up on him 2 weeks ago

Re: News from Italy

by B. » Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:21 pm

A big one was Giuseppe Madonia, boss of Vallelunga and part of the interprovincial Commission. He also played a big role in expanding the Sicilian mafia into Gela during that time and was a major force in the central and eastern parts of the island.

In recent years Castellammare boss Ciccio Domingo was still plotting revenge against Mariano Saracino, a member of his Family, for having supported the Corleonesi in the 1980s. I'd guess most Families had at least someone who was pro-Corleonesi as we see a lot of factionalism develop even within the same Family in the 1980s though I think for some of them it had less to do with being pro-Corleonesi and more to do with the opportunity to gain power.

A good way of thinking of the term "Corleonesi" in context with this stuff is the Castellammarese War in the US. Being part of Maranzano's "Castellammaresi" or Masseria's "Sciacchitani" didn't necessarily mean someone was from CDG or Sciacca, but that they were aligned with those factions. Joe Aiello was from Bagheria and Tom Gagliano was from Corleone but they were part of the Castellammarese faction along with many others.

Keep in mind that even though the Corleonesi were violent and treacherous, a key to building the alliance is they had a friendly approach. Pentiti have said guys like Riina and Provenzano were very approachable and kind face to face. That detail often gets lost when looking at the bigger picture of all the destruction they caused.

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Mon Mar 31, 2025 3:21 am

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:06 pm
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:11 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:38 pm
Strax wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.
Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?
it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina
Who were these bosses? You have the full list? You only hear about the victims like the magistrate, judges, lawyers, and some rival bosses like Inzerillos, Bontade, and the other guy forgot his name
Pippo Calò (Porta Nuova), Salvatore Buscemi (Uditore), Graviano brothers (Brancaccio), Giovanni Brusca (San Giuseppe Jato), Raffaele Ganci (Noce), Matteo Messina Denaro (Trapani), Nitto Santapaola (Catania) and several others

Re: News from Italy

by Laughmatics » Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:21 pm

Cosa Nostra in Sicily will never be in the terrible shape that American LCN is in. They're far too entrenched in Sicilian society. Even at their weakest, they're still far more powerful than the American Mafia, and most criminal organizations in general.

Re: News from Italy

by Shellackhead » Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:06 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:11 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:38 pm
Strax wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.
Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?
it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina
Who were these bosses? You have the full list? You only hear about the victims like the magistrate, judges, lawyers, and some rival bosses like Inzerillos, Bontade, and the other guy forgot his name

Re: News from Italy

by OmarSantista » Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:22 am

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:11 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:38 pm
Strax wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.
Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?
it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina
Yes, first lead by Luciano Leggio then Riina then Provenzano. In the modern era it was suspected Matteo Messina Denaro was the head and now the possibly dead fugitive Giovanni Motisi. Denaro's heritage hailing from Castelvetrano, Trapani and Motisi's being from the Pagliarelli district in Palermo shows the Corleonesi was able to infiltrate and influence families all throughout the island. Leggio was on the second Cupola until 1974, Riina replaces him in 78 and his iron fist style of ruling really starts in 1981.

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Thu Mar 27, 2025 5:11 am

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:38 pm
Strax wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.
Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?
it was an alliance of bosses from all over Sicily led by Riina

Re: News from Italy

by Shellackhead » Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:38 pm

Strax wrote: ↑Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.
Was the Corleonesi an alliance of bosses from Corleone? Or it was just one faction hailing from there that decided to wage war against important bosses of Sicily?

Re: News from Italy

by Strax » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:13 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
Still very powerful, if you compare to the past, they are on decline, nothing beats the power they had in 80's , remember P2 scandal, ties with main people from Vatican Bank and so on. After Riina's war on state they were hit hard but now actually they stabilized.

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Sat Mar 22, 2025 7:24 am

B. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:10 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:07 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:20 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)
Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.
Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.
a Cosa Nostra family based in that neighborhood was formed recently, early 2000s

Re: News from Italy

by B. » Fri Mar 21, 2025 8:22 pm

It does have "zone" in it (Zona) so you were close haha.

Re: News from Italy

by Shellackhead » Fri Mar 21, 2025 5:16 pm

B. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:10 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:07 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:20 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)
Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.
Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.
Yeah ZEN idk why i said zone & a number.

Thanks B.

Re: News from Italy

by B. » Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:10 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:07 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:20 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)
Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.
Probably ZEN (Zona Espansione Nord). Heavy mafia influence in that neighborhood.

Re: News from Italy

by Shellackhead » Fri Mar 21, 2025 4:07 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:20 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:09 am How powerful is the Sicilian Mafia in this day & age? Are they also on the decline like the American Mafia?
It's definitely not like before, but definitely not on the decline like the US either (IMO)
Are Sicilians still entrenched in the omertà way of thinking? I watched a video of a northern Italian that visits Latin America & Spain impoverished areas & he went to a neighborhood in Palermo called Zone (forgot the number) and people didn’t even want him around there even less with a camera.

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