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Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by Aristotle123 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:09 am

Raven wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:16 am
John W wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:38 am
Brovelli wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:08 pm I agree the way I saw it oc did a video on Michael wearing a wire and that conversation. They’re taking it personal cause of shortz is in bed with Sammy. I personally didn’t even know Michael did this so it was news to me and I’ve seen hours and hours of his content from Trevor McDonald and on
Yeah RJ seems pissed, I think he's unhappy because most people just assumed that Mikey Scars got indicted and then testified when in fact Mikey Scars wore a wire on his own people which I don't think has been mentioned and is a scumbag thing to do which puts Scars in an even more of a bad light with all this 'no excuses' nonsense plus they don't like that OC Shortz is working with Gravano.

At the end of the day both RJ and OC Shortz are scumbags for working with rats, it says everything you need to know about both of their characters.
Hey guy,
These rats provide insights and information that otherwise wouldn’t be known. It would very hard to do any mafia research without rats like valachi.
Wish they could find some survivor from the days of 1930s to 1950s who wasn't a cooperator to really tell the ins and outs about the rules, the different groups,who was who,etc of what went on back then

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by gohnjotti » Tue Oct 15, 2024 10:30 am

Cheech wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:00 am
jmack wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:45 am
Cheech wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 4:13 am More nerds telling people, who lived it, how the world works. Amazing

You are a PHD in teenage pregnancy. You’ve never been pregnant. How could you know more about pregnancy than the person who is pregnant.

I need a break from here. Salude
Deep breath, brother.
I know I know. You got a guy from the netherlands telling me about bookmaking in the northeast of America. You got this guy from god knows where in England (I cant listen more than 10 seconds before the accent makes me wanna crash my car into a pole). its how the world works now. turn on cnbc. a bunch of people talking about the market while people who really know about the market are actually trading in the market. not on tv talking about it. the nerds run everything now and if you try to tell them different youre a hater. up is down and down is up.
I know damn well you can't be referring to me here :lol:

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by Pmac2 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:36 pm

Pretty dumb. Oc videos are good. Rj took it personal an got weird. Guy doesn't need to reach out him been to make content.. It was a interesting video he posted. He said he lifted it straight from here. So he gave the board credit. Michael was flip flopping should have left it alone and or just explained it. Not go after OC In any type of way. All said Oc came out looking better Imo

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by Tonyd621 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:32 pm

And RJ is trying to walk back some of his comments. It's hard to take some serious with those f*ckin hats

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by Tonyd621 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:23 pm

Some chap compares a living informant to Sammy the bull? What did he expect was going to happen? Sammy the bulls reputation as a bullshitter is pretty solid now. Not many people have a positive thing to say about him, guys a creep.
Oc shortz whole shtick "[I just make videos, I don't know nothing..."] He knows exactly what he was doing when he made that video. He acts surprised that the person he was talking about got heated.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by outfit guy » Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:30 pm

PolackTony wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:37 pm
outfit guy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:03 am
funkster wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:17 am I dont hate Nadu but i also have never watched one of his videos, i watched his response to this whole drama and it was an hour of him reading and responding to the live chat comments. Is that how all his videos are?
His shows can be over-extended responding to chats. But Nadu has more "broken" more stories and had more first-time guests than any other host. His due diligence is nowhere near OC's who makes the effort to read hundreds of pages of FBI transcripts. The only better research - in video form - is here

https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt
https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt
I’m sorry, but I watched 5 minutes of this guy’s video on Bugs Moran and it was riddled with sloppy errors.

For example, this guy said that both Capone and Frankie Yale “grew up” in the “5 Points District of New York” (both men were from Brooklyn, not Manhattan). He referred to Yale as the “Capo of the Brooklyn chapter of the Unione Siciliana”, which is one of many falsehoods surrounding this era that refuses to die as people just keep repeating it in error. Yale was, in fact, a capodecina in the Masseria Family. There was no such entity as the “Unione Siciliana” in Brooklyn; this was, in fact, a mutual aid society founded in Chicago in the 1890s by men from Palermo and had chapters/lodges in IL and a few nearby states like IN. The Unione Siciliana was infiltrated by mafiosi but was not the same thing as the mafia, it was basically like the Sons of Italy today. He describes Chicago boss Tony Lombardo as Chicago’s “leading Union representative”. Lombardo was not a formal official of the Unione Siciliana, which was called the Italo-American National Union by this time anyway; Lombardo was boss of the Chicago mafia and, like many Sicilians in Chicago, mafiosi and not, a member of the IANU; the actual IANU President at this time was a guy named Bernard Barassa. The guy goes on to say that Yale “replaced Lombardo” with Joe Aiello, who he describes as a “compliant figure from Milwaukee”. Aiello was *not* “from Milwaukee”. He was from Bagheria and had arrived in Chicago, where he already had decades-long familial ties, via upstate NY. He was not brought to Chicago by Yale and was not installed by Yale as a replacement for Lombardo in the “Unione Siciliana”. We know from the account of Nicola Gentile that Aiello was appointed underboss of the Chicago Family under Lombardo folllowing the death of former boss Michele Merlo in 1924.

Again, just the immediate errors that I noticed in listening to a few minutes of one episode. It’s clear that the guy is just uncritically repeating whatever he read in some other account of this era, and lots of what was written about this era of mafia history is little better than myth.
I viewed Dutch Schultz and enjoyed. Never heard of Vannie HIggins and viewing.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by Ivan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:43 pm

PolackTony wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:37 pm I’m sorry, but I watched 5 minutes of this guy’s video on Bugs Moran and it was riddled with sloppy errors.
Since you brought up ol' Adelard I gotta ask, you ever read Rose Keefe's books?

They're worth reading just for the part where Drucci dresses up as a priest for a prank. :lol:

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by PolackTony » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:37 pm

outfit guy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:03 am
funkster wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:17 am I dont hate Nadu but i also have never watched one of his videos, i watched his response to this whole drama and it was an hour of him reading and responding to the live chat comments. Is that how all his videos are?
His shows can be over-extended responding to chats. But Nadu has more "broken" more stories and had more first-time guests than any other host. His due diligence is nowhere near OC's who makes the effort to read hundreds of pages of FBI transcripts. The only better research - in video form - is here

https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt
https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt
I’m sorry, but I watched 5 minutes of this guy’s video on Bugs Moran and it was riddled with sloppy errors.

For example, this guy said that both Capone and Frankie Yale “grew up” in the “5 Points District of New York” (both men were from Brooklyn, not Manhattan). He referred to Yale as the “Capo of the Brooklyn chapter of the Unione Siciliana”, which is one of many falsehoods surrounding this era that refuses to die as people just keep repeating it in error. Yale was, in fact, a capodecina in the Masseria Family. There was no such entity as the “Unione Siciliana” in Brooklyn; this was, in fact, a mutual aid society founded in Chicago in the 1890s by men from Palermo and had chapters/lodges in IL and a few nearby states like IN. The Unione Siciliana was infiltrated by mafiosi but was not the same thing as the mafia, it was basically like the Sons of Italy today. He describes Chicago boss Tony Lombardo as Chicago’s “leading Union representative”. Lombardo was not a formal official of the Unione Siciliana, which was called the Italo-American National Union by this time anyway; Lombardo was boss of the Chicago mafia and, like many Sicilians in Chicago, mafiosi and not, a member of the IANU; the actual IANU President at this time was a guy named Bernard Barassa. The guy goes on to say that Yale “replaced Lombardo” with Joe Aiello, who he describes as a “compliant figure from Milwaukee”. Aiello was *not* “from Milwaukee”. He was from Bagheria and had arrived in Chicago, where he already had decades-long familial ties, via upstate NY. He was not brought to Chicago by Yale and was not installed by Yale as a replacement for Lombardo in the “Unione Siciliana”. We know from the account of Nicola Gentile that Aiello was appointed underboss of the Chicago Family under Lombardo folllowing the death of former boss Michele Merlo in 1924.

Again, just the immediate errors that I noticed in listening to a few minutes of one episode. It’s clear that the guy is just uncritically repeating whatever he read in some other account of this era, and lots of what was written about this era of mafia history is little better than myth.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by outfit guy » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:03 am

funkster wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:17 am I dont hate Nadu but i also have never watched one of his videos, i watched his response to this whole drama and it was an hour of him reading and responding to the live chat comments. Is that how all his videos are?
His shows can be over-extended responding to chats. But Nadu has more "broken" more stories and had more first-time guests than any other host. His due diligence is nowhere near OC's who makes the effort to read hundreds of pages of FBI transcripts. The only better research - in video form - is here

https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt
https://www.youtube.com/@TheLastSupper_yt

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by aray22 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:39 am

funkster wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:17 am I dont hate Nadu but i also have never watched one of his videos, i watched his response to this whole drama and it was an hour of him reading and responding to the live chat comments. Is that how all his videos are?
That's how all of his lives are.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by funkster » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:17 am

I dont hate Nadu but i also have never watched one of his videos, i watched his response to this whole drama and it was an hour of him reading and responding to the live chat comments. Is that how all his videos are?

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by johnny_scootch » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:46 am

OC Shortz is a class act.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by outfit guy » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:07 am

The only critique of the arrangement OC has is he does little challenging of SG, but that's ok, as he stated, he's trying to get more information for future videos. Getting opinions of the 20 capos is great; no one else asked. What I noted is SG has NO - ZERO - insights into Manhattan. During SG's time, Manhattan still had wiseguys uptown, downtown, eastside, westside. When shown hierarchies of East Harlem crews, he was clueless.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by John W » Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:52 am

funkster wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:18 pm Think that OC video was pretty fair and straight forward.
I thought it was fair and to the point and hopefully it’s put everything to bed regarding the whole matter.

Re: OC Shortz and DiLeonardo

by JimmyG_415 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:46 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:13 pm For anyone to pass judgement on a JOURNALIST for working with “rats” is just retarded
Exactly,
Joey Merlino opened up my eyes about them, that they aren't good guys. But, to think that anyone who
interviews them is a scumbag is just moronic. If that is really how you think,
then Scorsese, Pileggi, De Niro are all scumbags. Pesci, George Anastasia.
.
Its the moboligists that think they are tough guys now that crack me up. That isn't Gladdy.

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