by CabriniGreen » Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:27 am
B. wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:40 am
He's saying they were part of the Sicilian mafia but operating under the authority of the Gambino family. Think of Sicilian members in NYC/NJ like Giuseppe Ganci and Rosario Gambino, they were formally part of Sicilian families but operating under the authority of the Bonannos and Gambinos. It would be a similar arrangement in Venezuela.
This is at the crux of what I'm asking. (It's why I asked before about Double Affiliation, the answer was they are transfers.) I can understand transfers, kinda. But the other scenario seems to be a blueprint for conflicts.....
What happens in real time if an order from NY conflicts with a STANDING DIRECTIVE from the Sicilians? And vice versa? What's the standing protocol for a resolution?
Did say, Rosario Gambino answer to a Gambino capo day to day? Or does he answer direct to the admin, like John did most likely? Was he allowed to be autonomous? Does he get to represent himself at sitdowns? If not, who speaks for him? Was there an official Sicilian liaison who did this? Like Cali did, modern day? Do they have to reach out to his boss in Sicily before they do anything? Or could they kill him because hes in their territory? I mean, are they really gonna like, send letters and messengers back and forth for months every time there a beef? THATS a big part of what I dont get, Look at the Violi -Rizzuto situation. It doesnt seem practical, really.... Maybe I'm just overthinking it......
B. You remember your post about a Sicilian mafia boss, speaking with Castellano? Geraci, I think was his surname.....
Castellano was complaining that Sicilians were coming over, doing whatever they wanted, that they had to be with a family. I think it was 72. Now, Don Paolo was handling the smuggling of Sicilian immigrants through Canada, John Gambino was in Venezuela, setting up companies, like the family was clearly making moves. Does he NOT KNOW, at this point? It's so fuckin strange to me. Are they acting on a Gambino directive, or a Sicilian one? Keep in mind, they started coming over in the mid 60s. They were running from Sicily. Capeci did the piece on Riccardo Cefalu, and he DEFINITLY was taking SOME direction from Sicily. I doubt if he was the only one.....
It makes me wonder if Castellano was all the way plugged into the Sicilian operations, maybe that was Paolos area.
We have to keep in mind, the Sicilians needed the drugs to solve their liquidity crises, and to make the big money, they needed the American market. They were coming over reguardless, at least, that's how it seems to me.
I see the Caruana- Cunteras operating their own family. To me, they expected to enjoy the same fluidity of movement that all mafiosi have enjoyed throughout history. Mafiosi in NY can move about the 5 boroughs. Imagine a borgata tried to claim ALL of Brooklyn. Lol, laughable. Yet we accept that they have the capability to claim like, all of Venezuela, or Canada? It's a little nuts, lol... but it is mafia logic...
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He's saying they were part of the Sicilian mafia but operating under the authority of the Gambino family. Think of Sicilian members in NYC/NJ like Giuseppe Ganci and Rosario Gambino, they were formally part of Sicilian families but operating under the authority of the Bonannos and Gambinos. It would be a similar arrangement in Venezuela.
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This is at the crux of what I'm asking. (It's why I asked before about Double Affiliation, the answer was they are transfers.) I can understand transfers, kinda. But the other scenario seems to be a blueprint for conflicts.....
What happens in real time if an order from NY conflicts with a STANDING DIRECTIVE from the Sicilians? And vice versa? What's the standing protocol for a resolution?
Did say, Rosario Gambino answer to a Gambino capo day to day? Or does he answer direct to the admin, like John did most likely? Was he allowed to be autonomous? Does he get to represent himself at sitdowns? If not, who speaks for him? Was there an official Sicilian liaison who did this? Like Cali did, modern day? Do they have to reach out to his boss in Sicily before they do anything? Or could they kill him because hes in their territory? I mean, are they really gonna like, send letters and messengers back and forth for months every time there a beef? THATS a big part of what I dont get, Look at the Violi -Rizzuto situation. It doesnt seem practical, really.... Maybe I'm just overthinking it......
B. You remember your post about a Sicilian mafia boss, speaking with Castellano? Geraci, I think was his surname.....
Castellano was complaining that Sicilians were coming over, doing whatever they wanted, that they had to be with a family. I think it was 72. Now, Don Paolo was handling the smuggling of Sicilian immigrants through Canada, John Gambino was in Venezuela, setting up companies, like the family was clearly making moves. Does he NOT KNOW, at this point? It's so fuckin strange to me. Are they acting on a Gambino directive, or a Sicilian one? Keep in mind, they started coming over in the mid 60s. They were running from Sicily. Capeci did the piece on Riccardo Cefalu, and he DEFINITLY was taking SOME direction from Sicily. I doubt if he was the only one.....
It makes me wonder if Castellano was all the way plugged into the Sicilian operations, maybe that was Paolos area.
We have to keep in mind, the Sicilians needed the drugs to solve their liquidity crises, and to make the big money, they needed the American market. They were coming over reguardless, at least, that's how it seems to me.
I see the Caruana- Cunteras operating their own family. To me, they expected to enjoy the same fluidity of movement that all mafiosi have enjoyed throughout history. Mafiosi in NY can move about the 5 boroughs. Imagine a borgata tried to claim ALL of Brooklyn. Lol, laughable. Yet we accept that they have the capability to claim like, all of Venezuela, or Canada? It's a little nuts, lol... but it is mafia logic...