by Wiseguy » Mon May 06, 2024 10:59 am
Brovelli wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:38 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 2:52 pm
If we're talking still active crews with no breakoffs, the crews run today by Michael Zanfardino, Thomas Ficarotta, Joseph DiChiara, Joseph Juliano, and Michael Scarola seem like they go back the longest.
What is the origins/lineage of these crews?
Zanfardino goes back to Ciro Terranova, Ficarotta back to Charlie Luciano, DiChiara back to Rocco Pellegrino, Juliano back to Saverio Virzi, and Scarola back to Vincenzo DiLeonardo.
B. wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm
DiLeonardo was clear when he mentioned Traina and Garofalo that those were the longest running unbroken crews. Obviously there are other crews with roots in much older crews but they had been split or reconfigured over the years, especially in Brooklyn.
Some of those crews were mysterious even within the Gambinos. When Mario Traina died the admin had little idea who was even in the crew or who could replace him so DiLeonardo was tasked with finding a good candidate (Oxie Marino). Most if not all of the known members of that crew in the 1990s were old timers so no idea who if anyone could succeed him or what the crew consisted of in its later years.
It's interesting because Traina was D'Aquila's consigliere and may have held the title until 1931 so maybe there was a previous captain or he had a decina direct with him. He was likely a captain before becoming consigliere as he had been close to D'Aquila since the beginning, they went to Sicily together, etc. A possible earlier captain of that crew was Traina's paesan Giuseppe Giallombardo who was clearly important during the Lupo years and along with his brother Pietro being a later member of the Traina crew, Giuseppe was linked to a Salvatore Traina who is likely the same guy that witnessed Giuseppe Traina's naturalization. Pietro Giallombardo was himself someone of importance as he, along with Traina, attended the 1932 meeting where Pittsburgh boss John Bazzano was killed although Pietro was living in Trenton at the time.
I notice Pogo took Sal Franco off his list of captains. Did something come out confirming that? He was probably running his uncle Joe Arcuri's crew which would be another old crew, tracing back in some form to Vincenzo LoCicero's old Agrigentino decina. Michael said that was another crew where some of the Family leaders were like, "who is even with them?" If Franco stepped down I'd be curious if the younger Francos may have stepped up.
I'm curious if the D'Amico-Garofalo crew still exists or if it was split up in the last couple decades as at least a few guys involved have been captains after D'Amico joined the admin in the mid-2000s. Grillo, Rizzo, and Paradiso all have history with the crew.
The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
Unless somebody has succeeded Joe Marino, that crew is probably gone. I say that because there really hasn't been anything about that crew in God knows when. Michael Scarola appears to be running the D'Amico-Garofalo crew.
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If we're talking still active crews with no breakoffs, the crews run today by Michael Zanfardino, Thomas Ficarotta, Joseph DiChiara, Joseph Juliano, and Michael Scarola seem like they go back the longest.
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What is the origins/lineage of these crews?
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Zanfardino goes back to Ciro Terranova, Ficarotta back to Charlie Luciano, DiChiara back to Rocco Pellegrino, Juliano back to Saverio Virzi, and Scarola back to Vincenzo DiLeonardo.
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DiLeonardo was clear when he mentioned Traina and Garofalo that those were the longest running unbroken crews. Obviously there are other crews with roots in much older crews but they had been split or reconfigured over the years, especially in Brooklyn.
Some of those crews were mysterious even within the Gambinos. When Mario Traina died the admin had little idea who was even in the crew or who could replace him so DiLeonardo was tasked with finding a good candidate (Oxie Marino). Most if not all of the known members of that crew in the 1990s were old timers so no idea who if anyone could succeed him or what the crew consisted of in its later years.
It's interesting because Traina was D'Aquila's consigliere and may have held the title until 1931 so maybe there was a previous captain or he had a decina direct with him. He was likely a captain before becoming consigliere as he had been close to D'Aquila since the beginning, they went to Sicily together, etc. A possible earlier captain of that crew was Traina's paesan Giuseppe Giallombardo who was clearly important during the Lupo years and along with his brother Pietro being a later member of the Traina crew, Giuseppe was linked to a Salvatore Traina who is likely the same guy that witnessed Giuseppe Traina's naturalization. Pietro Giallombardo was himself someone of importance as he, along with Traina, attended the 1932 meeting where Pittsburgh boss John Bazzano was killed although Pietro was living in Trenton at the time.
I notice Pogo took Sal Franco off his list of captains. Did something come out confirming that? He was probably running his uncle Joe Arcuri's crew which would be another old crew, tracing back in some form to Vincenzo LoCicero's old Agrigentino decina. Michael said that was another crew where some of the Family leaders were like, "who is even with them?" If Franco stepped down I'd be curious if the younger Francos may have stepped up.
I'm curious if the D'Amico-Garofalo crew still exists or if it was split up in the last couple decades as at least a few guys involved have been captains after D'Amico joined the admin in the mid-2000s. Grillo, Rizzo, and Paradiso all have history with the crew.
The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
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Unless somebody has succeeded Joe Marino, that crew is probably gone. I say that because there really hasn't been anything about that crew in God knows when. Michael Scarola appears to be running the D'Amico-Garofalo crew.