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Re: New blood in Chicago

by InCamelot » Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:53 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:11 am
Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:02 am I thought I read awhile back on one of these posts about Chicago that the Lo Bue’s own some restaurants in the Chicago area.
I found this and posted it a while back, you can see Massimo himself at the beginning briefly plugging one of his joints on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqa-Y3b4GUs

The restaurants are 750 Cucina Rustica-Cary and ZaZa's Tavola Italiana.

The brothers are also on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/matt.lobue.5

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013819418661
There's a photo with the LoBue brothers and Gigi Rovito but I wonder if anyone else can identify the others in the pictures.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Ivan » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:11 am

Tocco686 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:02 am I thought I read awhile back on one of these posts about Chicago that the Lo Bue’s own some restaurants in the Chicago area.
I found this and posted it a while back, you can see Massimo himself at the beginning briefly plugging one of his joints on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqa-Y3b4GUs

The restaurants are 750 Cucina Rustica-Cary and ZaZa's Tavola Italiana.

The brothers are also on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/matt.lobue.5

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013819418661

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Tocco686 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:02 am

I thought I read awhile back on one of these posts about Chicago that the Lo Bue’s own some restaurants in the Chicago area.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by PolackTony » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:37 pm

B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:38 pm Loiacano and Lojacano are both variations that show up. With some Italian names "i" and "j" are interchanged, i.e. Maiuri/Majuri, Aiello/Ajello, San Giuseppe Iato/Jato, etc. Can be helpful when doing research as families and towns sometimes used both spellings.
Yup and both are actually two words: Lo Iacono/Lo Jacono (the latter, as in other cases where “j” is used to represent “i”, is a dialect version as the letter “j” is not used in Italian; both pronounced the same way with stress on first syllable). Iacono/jacono is a dialect variant of “diacono”, the Italian word for “deacon”.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by B. » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:38 pm

Loiacano and Lojacano are both variations that show up. With some Italian names "i" and "j" are interchanged, i.e. Maiuri/Majuri, Aiello/Ajello, San Giuseppe Iato/Jato, etc. Can be helpful when doing research as families and towns sometimes used both spellings.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Shellackhead » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:11 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:28 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm
PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:25 am Not that uncommon in Palermo province, specifically the towns around Corleone like Lercara (if you look for it online, it’s actually two words “Lo Bue”).
Yes you're right when I searched in cognomix without the space between the O and B it registered 9 families with that name in Sicily but with the space it shows 290 families and quite a few more in the northern provinces also.
A lot of the people in the North with that surname are likely due to internal migration from Sicily to the North in the decades after WW2. Possible though that the name was of Northern origin from the Norman era though, as when the Saracens were forcibly expelled from the Monti Sicani around Corleone, that section of interior Palermo province was largely resettled by “Lombardi” from Northern Italy (mainly people form Liguria and Piemonte, hence the local dialetto around Corleone in the past showing strong northern derived traits from Gallo-Italic).

Very common of course that after immigrating to the US, Italians with surnames that are two words will have it written as one word in documents (probably due to confusion here where someone might mistakenly read the two words as separate names).

Di Diana -> Didiana

Lo Monte -> Lomonte

Lo Íacono -> Loiacono
Never seen the Lo Íacono one.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Ivan » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:47 pm

B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:16 pm The idea that the LoBues are newer Chicago members originally comes from Rick's contact and Tony did deeper research that added weight to their mafia connections.
That's where I first saw it too but it's been a rumor I've heard from people who have no connection to this forum for a while now, so I don't think it's just because of Rick's guy that it's out there. (One really weird example of this is a YouTube comment section with some guy berating Solly D's son about it.)

Speaking of Rick's guy, that episode was the most interesting thing I've seen on this forum. I've read it multiple times. Everyone should check it out. (Just do a search for author "Antiliar" and words like "source", "talked", or "chatted", but in combination with the word "dumping", and that will bring most of it up.)

Re: New blood in Chicago

by B. » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:16 pm

The idea that the LoBues are newer Chicago members originally comes from Rick's contact and Tony did deeper research that added weight to their mafia connections.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Ivan » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:16 pm

Dr031718 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:28 am Based on his description I’m the article I think the unnamed brothers are the LoBue brothers and he couldn’t name them as they have never been named or convicted but that’s just my opinion
Yeah he knows about the LoBues, has even mentioned them on here. He can't name them because they've never even been arrested AFAIK and they're rich with the resources to sue etc.

He has to be careful with that sort of thing on his paysite, he even had Louie Rainone personally contact him and object to him naming Louie.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by PolackTony » Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:28 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm
PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:25 am Not that uncommon in Palermo province, specifically the towns around Corleone like Lercara (if you look for it online, it’s actually two words “Lo Bue”).
Yes you're right when I searched in cognomix without the space between the O and B it registered 9 families with that name in Sicily but with the space it shows 290 families and quite a few more in the northern provinces also.
A lot of the people in the North with that surname are likely due to internal migration from Sicily to the North in the decades after WW2. Possible though that the name was of Northern origin from the Norman era though, as when the Saracens were forcibly expelled from the Monti Sicani around Corleone, that section of interior Palermo province was largely resettled by “Lombardi” from Northern Italy (mainly people form Liguria and Piemonte, hence the local dialetto around Corleone in the past showing strong northern derived traits from Gallo-Italic).

Very common of course that after immigrating to the US, Italians with surnames that are two words will have it written as one word in documents (probably due to confusion here where someone might mistakenly read the two words as separate names).

Di Diana -> Didiana

Lo Monte -> Lomonte

Lo Íacono -> Loiacono

Re: New blood in Chicago

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:14 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:25 am Not that uncommon in Palermo province, specifically the towns around Corleone like Lercara (if you look for it online, it’s actually two words “Lo Bue”).
Yes you're right when I searched in cognomix without the space between the O and B it registered 9 families with that name in Sicily but with the space it shows 290 families and quite a few more in the northern provinces also.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by PolackTony » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:42 am

Lo BOO-eh. “Bùe” is Italian for an ox, the surname was originally a nickname given to a guy to say he was strong “like an ox” and then became a familial name over time.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by Moscone65 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:59 am

It is an Italian name, if you pronounce it the American way (low-byoo or low-boo) it sounds French or something, but in proper Italian pronounciation (loe-byoo-eh) it sounds much more Italian.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by PolackTony » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:25 am

The LoBues are Sicilian-born guys from Trabía. We have discussed them quite a lot in the main Chicago thread.
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:28 am
AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:11 am OK, thanks....this isn't an italian name though? Or am I mistaken?

I'm also intrigued that the Outfit and also the Detroit family (same article from Scott) have managed to replenish their ranks from Italy.
It is an Italian name although very uncommon, it's found in Sicily and also the north of Italy according to Cognomix.
Not that uncommon in Palermo province, specifically the towns around Corleone like Lercara (if you look for it online, it’s actually two words “Lo Bue”). The boss of Corleone in the 1930s was Calogero Lo Bue, while the capomandamento there in more recent years was Rosario Lo Bue.

Re: New blood in Chicago

by AnIrishGuy » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:06 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:30 am
AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:09 amI wasn't aware that anyone had been made in Chicago in recent decades and had assumed that natural attrition would take care of them post DeFronzo.
Stick with your original assumption.
Was thinking that alright, even if Scott's revelations were thought provoking.

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