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Re: Longest running crews

by CornerBoy » Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:14 am

thanks, Chin

Re: Longest running crews

by chin_gigante » Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:58 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:33 am how can one see peluso's 302s? Thx
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Re: Longest running crews

by CornerBoy » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:35 am

In the Peter Peluso 302s, its mentioned that Sammy Black Santora 'struggled to put a crew together' and that captain Tony Salerno mentioned that power was going to Sammy Black's head -- both points implying that Santora may have been gradually forming a group on his own while Salerno was still around. This may not have been a formal decina at the time of Peluso's recollections, but it could be a situation to evolved into one.
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Hi inCamelot, can you explain wha you mean here? Thanks

Re: Longest running crews

by CornerBoy » Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:33 am

InCamelot wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:27 am
B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
There's been talk that the contemporary 116th crew may have split. In the Peter Peluso 302s, its mentioned that Sammy Black Santora 'struggled to put a crew together' and that captain Tony Salerno mentioned that power was going to Sammy Black's head -- both points implying that Santora may have been gradually forming a group on his own while Salerno was still around. This may not have been a formal decina at the time of Peluso's recollections, but it could be a situation to evolved into one.
how can one see peluso's 302s? Thx

Re: Longest running crews

by Little_Al1991 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:52 am

B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm DiLeonardo was clear when he mentioned Traina and Garofalo that those were the longest running unbroken crews. Obviously there are other crews with roots in much older crews but they had been split or reconfigured over the years, especially in Brooklyn.

Some of those crews were mysterious even within the Gambinos. When Mario Traina died the admin had little idea who was even in the crew or who could replace him so DiLeonardo was tasked with finding a good candidate (Oxie Marino). Most if not all of the known members of that crew in the 1990s were old timers so no idea who if anyone could succeed him or what the crew consisted of in its later years.

It's interesting because Traina was D'Aquila's consigliere and may have held the title until 1931 so maybe there was a previous captain or he had a decina direct with him. He was likely a captain before becoming consigliere as he had been close to D'Aquila since the beginning, they went to Sicily together, etc. A possible earlier captain of that crew was Traina's paesan Giuseppe Giallombardo who was clearly important during the Lupo years and along with his brother Pietro being a later member of the Traina crew, Giuseppe was linked to a Salvatore Traina who is likely the same guy that witnessed Giuseppe Traina's naturalization. Pietro Giallombardo was himself someone of importance as he, along with Traina, attended the 1932 meeting where Pittsburgh boss John Bazzano was killed although Pietro was living in Trenton at the time.

I notice Pogo took Sal Franco off his list of captains. Did something come out confirming that? He was probably running his uncle Joe Arcuri's crew which would be another old crew, tracing back in some form to Vincenzo LoCicero's old Agrigentino decina. Michael said that was another crew where some of the Family leaders were like, "who is even with them?" If Franco stepped down I'd be curious if the younger Francos may have stepped up.

I'm curious if the D'Amico-Garofalo crew still exists or if it was split up in the last couple decades as at least a few guys involved have been captains after D'Amico joined the admin in the mid-2000s. Grillo, Rizzo, and Paradiso all have history with the crew.

The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
The Genovese Family was appropriately formed in 1923? I still have a lot to learn about the older days so can you please elaborate on this?

Re: Longest running crews

by InCamelot » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:25 pm

B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
There's been talk that the contemporary 116th crew may have split. In the Peter Peluso 302s, its mentioned that Sammy Black Santora 'struggled to put a crew together' and that captain Tony Salerno mentioned that power was going to Sammy Black's head -- both points implying that Santora may have been gradually forming a group on his own while Salerno was still around. This may not have been a formal decina at the time of Peluso's recollections, but it could've been a situation that evolved into one.

Re: Longest running crews

by Brovelli » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:01 am

InCamelot wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:27 am
B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
There's been talk that the contemporary 116th crew may have split. In the Peter Peluso 302s, its mentioned that Sammy Black Santora 'struggled to put a crew together' and that captain Tony Salerno mentioned that power was going to Sammy Black's head -- both points implying that Santora may have been gradually forming a group on his own while Salerno was still around. This may not have been a formal decina at the time of Peluso's recollections, but it could be a situation to evolved into one.
I think also in more recent times with Barney allegedly being the boss it seems like many who would be considered part of that crew are now in positions of power that it must either have been split up or guys have been given leadership of other crews. It feels somewhat like chins close circle

Re: Longest running crews

by InCamelot » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:27 am

B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
There's been talk that the contemporary 116th crew may have split. In the Peter Peluso 302s, its mentioned that Sammy Black Santora 'struggled to put a crew together' and that captain Tony Salerno mentioned that power was going to Sammy Black's head -- both points implying that Santora may have been gradually forming a group on his own while Salerno was still around. This may not have been a formal decina at the time of Peluso's recollections, but it could be a situation to evolved into one.

Re: Longest running crews

by quadtree » Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:00 am

chin_gigante wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:06 am Capeci currently has Joseph Traina, son of Mario Traina, as a Gambino acting captain
It's amazing how deep mafia roots can sometimes be. More than 100 years ago, his grandfather was a significant figure in the same family.

Re: Longest running crews

by chin_gigante » Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:06 am

Capeci currently has Joseph Traina, son of Mario Traina, as a Gambino acting captain

Re: Longest running crews

by Wiseguy » Mon May 06, 2024 2:56 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 11:09 am Scarola could be runnnig the Corozzo Crew (if he indeed is a Captain). At least he was busted with Corozzo and that crew in 2008.


Pogo
Yeah, the reason I lean toward him running the Grillo crew (he was indicted with Grillo in 1988 and was identified as an associate of that crew in court docs in 2001) is because Pennisi said he was in the Grillo crew in 2018 and has also still identified Corozzo as a captain. If some kind of merging has happened, and he is running the Corozzo crew, I wouldn't find that difficult to believe at all.

Re: Longest running crews

by Adam » Mon May 06, 2024 12:46 pm

I think in Detroit you could make the argument that the Aceto/Joey Giacalone crews are just continuations of the Anthony/Vito Giacalone crews which were a continuation of the Bommartio/Corrado crews which will take you all the way back to the 1930s.

Re: Longest running crews

by Pogo The Clown » Mon May 06, 2024 11:09 am

Scarola could be runnnig the Corozzo Crew (if he indeed is a Captain). At least he was busted with Corozzo and that crew in 2008.


Pogo

Re: Longest running crews

by Wiseguy » Mon May 06, 2024 10:59 am

Brovelli wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:38 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 2:52 pm If we're talking still active crews with no breakoffs, the crews run today by Michael Zanfardino, Thomas Ficarotta, Joseph DiChiara, Joseph Juliano, and Michael Scarola seem like they go back the longest.
What is the origins/lineage of these crews?
Zanfardino goes back to Ciro Terranova, Ficarotta back to Charlie Luciano, DiChiara back to Rocco Pellegrino, Juliano back to Saverio Virzi, and Scarola back to Vincenzo DiLeonardo.
B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm DiLeonardo was clear when he mentioned Traina and Garofalo that those were the longest running unbroken crews. Obviously there are other crews with roots in much older crews but they had been split or reconfigured over the years, especially in Brooklyn.

Some of those crews were mysterious even within the Gambinos. When Mario Traina died the admin had little idea who was even in the crew or who could replace him so DiLeonardo was tasked with finding a good candidate (Oxie Marino). Most if not all of the known members of that crew in the 1990s were old timers so no idea who if anyone could succeed him or what the crew consisted of in its later years.

It's interesting because Traina was D'Aquila's consigliere and may have held the title until 1931 so maybe there was a previous captain or he had a decina direct with him. He was likely a captain before becoming consigliere as he had been close to D'Aquila since the beginning, they went to Sicily together, etc. A possible earlier captain of that crew was Traina's paesan Giuseppe Giallombardo who was clearly important during the Lupo years and along with his brother Pietro being a later member of the Traina crew, Giuseppe was linked to a Salvatore Traina who is likely the same guy that witnessed Giuseppe Traina's naturalization. Pietro Giallombardo was himself someone of importance as he, along with Traina, attended the 1932 meeting where Pittsburgh boss John Bazzano was killed although Pietro was living in Trenton at the time.

I notice Pogo took Sal Franco off his list of captains. Did something come out confirming that? He was probably running his uncle Joe Arcuri's crew which would be another old crew, tracing back in some form to Vincenzo LoCicero's old Agrigentino decina. Michael said that was another crew where some of the Family leaders were like, "who is even with them?" If Franco stepped down I'd be curious if the younger Francos may have stepped up.

I'm curious if the D'Amico-Garofalo crew still exists or if it was split up in the last couple decades as at least a few guys involved have been captains after D'Amico joined the admin in the mid-2000s. Grillo, Rizzo, and Paradiso all have history with the crew.

The 116th Street crew must be one of the oldest unbroken crews outside the Gambinos. We don't have confirmation but can be almost certain Ciro Terranova was given that decina when the Genovese Family formed circa 1923. If Terranova was previously a captain in the Morello Family it could be argued the crew is even older.
Unless somebody has succeeded Joe Marino, that crew is probably gone. I say that because there really hasn't been anything about that crew in God knows when. Michael Scarola appears to be running the D'Amico-Garofalo crew.

Re: Longest running crews

by Pogo The Clown » Sun May 05, 2024 4:30 pm

B. wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 3:58 pm I notice Pogo took Sal Franco off his list of captains. Did something come out confirming that? He was probably running his uncle Joe Arcuri's crew which would be another old crew,

That was a judgement call. Franco is pushing 90 and there has been no mention of him or his crew for years. So most likely he was replaced. It was a pretty small crew. According to Gravano, Arcuri only had 3 members under him by the early 1990s (2 of them were the Franco brothers, I forgot the third one). So the crew being disbanded is a pretty strong possibility.


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