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Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Frank » Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:57 pm

Snakes wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:52 pm
Frank wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:45 pm Great podcast guys. Very interesting 1990s Administration breakdown. Between Nicks testimony and Franks prison conversations, your explanation of the Administration is very solid. I have personally thought it was possible that DiFronzo was never official boss. I have lived In Chicago suburbs all my life, and yes to Eric asking about DiFronzo. The media always referred to him as boss. All the way till he died. I thought that he could have been boss, consiglieri or just a powerful capo. But what about Frank saying Johnny didn't want the job and the pancake flipper has it.
According to Frank Jr, that was concerning Elmwood Park Capo spot.
Ok thanks. It does make sense that both DiFronzo and Andriachi were acting bosses. I know we discussed that before about the CC saying that DiFronzo was boss in the early 90s, before Carlisi was imprisoned. Actually I think he was also rumoured to be boss in the late 80s too

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Snakes » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:52 pm

Frank wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:45 pm Great podcast guys. Very interesting 1990s Administration breakdown. Between Nicks testimony and Franks prison conversations, your explanation of the Administration is very solid. I have personally thought it was possible that DiFronzo was never official boss. I have lived In Chicago suburbs all my life, and yes to Eric asking about DiFronzo. The media always referred to him as boss. All the way till he died. I thought that he could have been boss, consiglieri or just a powerful capo. But what about Frank saying Johnny didn't want the job and the pancake flipper has it.
According to Frank Jr, that was concerning Elmwood Park Capo spot.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Frank » Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:45 pm

Great podcast guys. Very interesting 1990s Administration breakdown. Between Nicks testimony and Franks prison conversations, your explanation of the Administration is very solid. I have personally thought it was possible that DiFronzo was never official boss. I have lived In Chicago suburbs all my life, and yes to Eric asking about DiFronzo. The media always referred to him as boss. All the way till he died. I thought that he could have been boss, consiglieri or just a powerful capo. But what about Frank saying Johnny didn't want the job and the pancake flipper has it.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by SonnyC » Sat Dec 02, 2023 2:10 pm

Antiliar wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:19 am
SonnyC wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:23 am Good episode, I enjoyed it. Would love to know who else was made in the '88 and '89 ceremonies. Louie Marino? I assume Chiramonti was among that group as well.
Since Marino was at the Spilotro killing he may have been made before June 1986. It's likely that everyone present was made since it was supposed to be an initiation.
That's what I thought as well. Seemed odd that only 1 associate would be included.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Proletarian187 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:49 am

I agree. I'm not well versed enough to have a strong opinion on the matter but as we now there is a narrative out there.

I prefer you guys being careful rather than speculative. There's enough content out there like that, it what makes TMA stand out from other content makers. Keep the show grounded, we can speculate on the forums.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Snakes » Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:40 am

Proletarian187 wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:54 am Thanks for the show last night! Didn't see the last 45 minutes unfortunately, did you guys touch on DiFronzo's alleged CI status?
We didn't, but there's just nothing out there definitive enough from our standpoint to address it, at least IMO.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Proletarian187 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:54 am

Thanks for the show last night! Didn't see the last 45 minutes unfortunately, did you guys touch on DiFronzo's alleged CI status?

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Angelo Santino » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:10 pm

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Antiliar » Sat Nov 18, 2023 12:19 am

SonnyC wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:23 am Good episode, I enjoyed it. Would love to know who else was made in the '88 and '89 ceremonies. Louie Marino? I assume Chiramonti was among that group as well.
Since Marino was at the Spilotro killing he may have been made before June 1986. It's likely that everyone present was made since it was supposed to be an initiation.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Angelo Santino » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:11 pm

Part 2 drops this sunday at 6pm. Sit back and strap in, it's 4.5 hours long.

I won't be around for it, would anyone mind being a mod for the chat, just in case someone starts spamming porn or racial slurs which could get us yeeted? If not, I'll have to move it to Monday.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Snakes » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:43 am

SonnyC wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:23 am Good episode, I enjoyed it. Would love to know who else was made in the '88 and '89 ceremonies. Louie Marino? I assume Chiramonti was among that group as well.
I think we know all of '88:

Pete DiFronzo, Jim DiForti, Rudy Fratto, Scarpelli, Chiaramonti

DeLaurentis is the only one we know was made in '89 at the Como Inn. The source also said Matassa was made there, but we know that is incorrect as according to Nick C, Matassa was made in '83 with him.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by SonnyC » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:23 am

Good episode, I enjoyed it. Would love to know who else was made in the '88 and '89 ceremonies. Louie Marino? I assume Chiramonti was among that group as well.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by CornerBoy » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:54 am

there are sicilian jews. i know one w last name corso.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Ivan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:03 pm

Proletarian187 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm Ivan: Was going to Istria in the spring of 2020 but Covid killed that idea. Have been to Slovenia though, beautiful country. Pretty distinct difference from southern Balkans in culture, language and mannerisms. They fancy themselves more Italian and cultured than the rest of Ex Yugo for sure..
Every picture I've seen of Croatia looks so beautiful it's kind of ridiculous, lol. My maternal grandfather's family is Croatian (got to American in like 1910) and my first name is an attempt by my parents to honor this. I thought about getting a digital nomad visa there since I'm self employed and work online, and use it as a base to explore/experience Europe for like six months.

You mentioned Sicilian genetics -- Wikipedia's coverage of this in the link below is decent. The North African contribution, while definitely not nothing, is often exaggerated. (Sicilians aren't "half black" or whatever or even part Subsaharan at all except for maybe infinitesimal trace ancestry in the Arab/Berber parts of their ancestry.) More interesting to me than that though is the substantial Norman contribution around Palermo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians#Genetics

Also like the genetic cluster diagram there, showing that Italians at the genetic level are basically the same people but gradually become more different as you head from north to south, while the Sardinians are totally different as they are basically leftover Early European Farmers who got Latinized but never replaced, and are of a stock that predates the Indo-Europeans who would evolve into today's Latins by several millennia.
Proletarian187 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:25 pm I wouldn't expect there to be a bunch of Swedes involved in rackets. We're mostly known as very hard working honest people but where there is poverty there will be crime. And boy were the Swedes who emigrated poor..
For an entertaining depiction of a Swedish immigrant criminal, check out the performance by Peter Stormare in the movie Fargo if you haven't seen it already.

Re: New TMA Episode - Chicago late 80's/90's

by Moscone65 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:00 am

Proletarian187 wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:13 pm I mean, after a long enough time you just gotta let a jew or an albanian be an italian right? Haha.. There's an active Genovese called Albanese for example.

After all, a lot of sicilians probably have moorish, arab and maybe even ottoman (turkish) blood in them if they took a DNA test right?

Some Barese mobsters probably have croatian/proto yugoslavian heritage due to the Dalmatian sea connection. It's a two hour boat ride to Croatia from Bari. My wife is from southern Bosnia so I travel the south Balcans quite a lot. Lots of variations of Italian names on the coast of Dalmatia. A good friend of mine is Croatian and his name is Luca Baresic.. Must be italian originally. That migration would have gone both directions..
Italians, particularly southern italians have been mixing for thousands of years; Romans, spanish, moors, greeks, albanians, proto illyrian tribes, the normans, french.... if your family had been in italy for 300+ years, and you have an italian last name, then your italian.

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