by Ivan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:03 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm
Ivan: Was going to Istria in the spring of 2020 but Covid killed that idea. Have been to Slovenia though, beautiful country. Pretty distinct difference from southern Balkans in culture, language and mannerisms. They fancy themselves more Italian and cultured than the rest of Ex Yugo for sure..
Every picture I've seen of Croatia looks so beautiful it's kind of ridiculous, lol. My maternal grandfather's family is Croatian (got to American in like 1910) and my first name is an attempt by my parents to honor this. I thought about getting a digital nomad visa there since I'm self employed and work online, and use it as a base to explore/experience Europe for like six months.
You mentioned Sicilian genetics -- Wikipedia's coverage of this in the link below is decent. The North African contribution, while definitely not nothing, is often exaggerated. (Sicilians aren't "half black" or whatever or even part Subsaharan at all except for maybe infinitesimal trace ancestry in the Arab/Berber parts of their ancestry.) More interesting to me than that though is the substantial Norman contribution around Palermo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians#Genetics
Also like the genetic cluster diagram there, showing that Italians at the genetic level are basically the same people but gradually become more different as you head from north to south, while the Sardinians are totally different as they are basically leftover Early European Farmers who got Latinized but never replaced, and are of a stock that predates the Indo-Europeans who would evolve into today's Latins by several millennia.
Proletarian187 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:25 pm
I wouldn't expect there to be a bunch of Swedes involved in rackets. We're mostly known as very hard working honest people but where there is poverty there will be crime. And boy were the Swedes who emigrated poor..
For an entertaining depiction of a Swedish immigrant criminal, check out the performance by Peter Stormare in the movie Fargo if you haven't seen it already.
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Ivan: Was going to Istria in the spring of 2020 but Covid killed that idea. Have been to Slovenia though, beautiful country. Pretty distinct difference from southern Balkans in culture, language and mannerisms. They fancy themselves more Italian and cultured than the rest of Ex Yugo for sure..
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Every picture I've seen of Croatia looks so beautiful it's kind of ridiculous, lol. My maternal grandfather's family is Croatian (got to American in like 1910) and my first name is an attempt by my parents to honor this. I thought about getting a digital nomad visa there since I'm self employed and work online, and use it as a base to explore/experience Europe for like six months.
You mentioned Sicilian genetics -- Wikipedia's coverage of this in the link below is decent. The North African contribution, while definitely not nothing, is often exaggerated. (Sicilians aren't "half black" or whatever or even part Subsaharan at all except for maybe infinitesimal trace ancestry in the Arab/Berber parts of their ancestry.) More interesting to me than that though is the substantial Norman contribution around Palermo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilians#Genetics
Also like the genetic cluster diagram there, showing that Italians at the genetic level are basically the same people but gradually become more different as you head from north to south, while the Sardinians are totally different as they are basically leftover Early European Farmers who got Latinized but never replaced, and are of a stock that predates the Indo-Europeans who would evolve into today's Latins by several millennia.
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I wouldn't expect there to be a bunch of Swedes involved in rackets. We're mostly known as very hard working honest people but where there is poverty there will be crime. And boy were the Swedes who emigrated poor..
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For an entertaining depiction of a Swedish immigrant criminal, check out the performance by Peter Stormare in the movie Fargo if you haven't seen it already.