THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Cheech wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 11:59 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:49 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:25 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:22 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:19 pm

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:06 am Thanks for posting.
It seems as if Amuso won’t break Persico’s record of being the longest reigning boss of one of the Five Families.
Barney possibly could…

Barney have the record of longest reigning boss on the street of one of the Five Families.
Until 2008 he was never arrested.

Barney was released in 2008 but became boss during either 2014 or 2016 from what I remember.
Dom Cefalu has had his position since 2011

Was Frank Cali the Gambino until was killed?

Cali was the official underboss.

On Cefalu, Capeci claims he was the acting boss and that Pete Gotti kept the boss title in name only. Since Gotti died in 2021, he reported Cefalu as the official boss. Though I have a document and a transcript from his cousins case that states Cefalu was the official boss.

Did u post that already? If not do you mind?

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:49 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:25 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:22 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:19 pm

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:06 am Thanks for posting.
It seems as if Amuso won’t break Persico’s record of being the longest reigning boss of one of the Five Families.
Barney possibly could…

Barney have the record of longest reigning boss on the street of one of the Five Families.
Until 2008 he was never arrested.

Barney was released in 2008 but became boss during either 2014 or 2016 from what I remember.
Dom Cefalu has had his position since 2011

Was Frank Cali the Gambino until was killed?

Cali was the official underboss.

On Cefalu, Capeci claims he was the acting boss and that Pete Gotti kept the boss title in name only. Since Gotti died in 2021, he reported Cefalu as the official boss. Though I have a document and a transcript from his cousins case that states Cefalu was the official boss.

outfit guy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:41 am

Southshore88 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:36 am Thanks for posting. Interesting that no one found or figured out that Zummo was awaiting sentencing for so long on those Coke charges

Or did anything about it; appears the guy is still in L.I. and commuting to and from Fla. Can we agree this whole "thing" is a joke?

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:53 am What did Zummo flip over?

antimafia wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:19 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:32 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:19 pm Any thoughts on who the John LNU is? (At the Zummo/Morena ceremony)

There are several possibilities John Carlucci, John Mirabile, John DeSena, John Contello, John Spirito Jr, John Zancocchio, John Sciremammano, John Palazzolo, John Licata & John Cicala.

If Zummo an Acting Captain conducted the ceremony if you can call it that it probably means this ‘John’ was just a soldier. I think the really old guys like Palazzolo and Licata can be eliminated but if any of the other guys can be linked to the Pipitone crew at that time we may have found our guy.

Is the ceremony valid?

If not, at what point:

1. does the ceremony become invalid (including when the ceremony is taking place, given the inductee is actively deceiving the Bonanno Family)?
2. is the ceremony considered invalid by the Bonanno Family? by other Families?
3. does the Bonanno Family issue a declaration that the ceremony is invalid? (How it's issued is also a question I have.)

Genuinely looking for answers and/or opinions here.

John W wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:44 am

AntComello wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:19 am Forgive me for my ignorance but is this the first time we’re hearing that Zummo is a rat? I keep getting him and the other guy confused.

Yes this is the first time Zummo has been identified as a rat.

Morena was the rat who was inducted by Zummo that was caught in tape.

Technically, if Morena contacted the RCMP from Italy and offered to work for them as a paid police agent, is he a rat?

Genuinely looking for opinions here.

Incidentally, we already know from Stephen Metelsky's last published article that Morena moved to Hamilton in 2013. Now, with the publication of this week's Gang Land, we know that Morena was a paid police agent for five years, i.e., from 2012 to 2017.

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:41 pm That true but introductions don't have to be made to everyone or right away.

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:30 am

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:13 am [Wasn't it said at some point early on that Dom Violi was there also?

For two guys to drive eight or nine hours non stop from New York for a 15 minute session to take care of business and get it done and then drive back to New York was viewed here as a very critical and significant event," said Metelsky.

This part doesn't make sense they would have had to meet with at least one other mafia member up there so Morena could get introduced around town as a member. They couldn't have just driven up made Morena and got right in the car drove back like this statement makes it seem. Add the fact that Zummo or this John LNU would have to have been previously introduced to whoever they introduced Morena to.

Yeah Violi was said to be present as well. I suspect the reason Violi was there was so they could introduce Morena as Amico Nostra and Violi would be able to facilitate any introductions to other Canadian mobsters.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:13 am [Wasn't it said at some point early on that Dom Violi was there also?

For two guys to drive eight or nine hours non stop from New York for a 15 minute session to take care of business and get it done and then drive back to New York was viewed here as a very critical and significant event," said Metelsky.

This part doesn't make sense they would have had to meet with at least one other mafia member up there so Morena could get introduced around town as a member. They couldn't have just driven up made Morena and got right in the car drove back like this statement makes it seem. Add the fact that Zummo or this John LNU would have to have been previously introduced to whoever they introduced Morena to.