by PolackTony » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:02 am
moneyman wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:51 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:52 pm
moneyman wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:03 pm
I think it was mentioned that a Chicago making ceremony was held across the street from a cemetery- was that intentional to imply the seriousness of the ceremony? Was this a frequent occurrence?
Based on his description in his testimony, the 1983 ceremony at which Nick Calabrese was made was most likely held at what was then a Sicilian restaurant located across the street from Mt Carmel Cemetery in West Suburban Hillside. Mt Carmel is where Capone and many other figures connected to the Chicago mafia are buried.I don’t know that the location was chosen specifically because of Mt Carmel, though that certainly contributed to the overall grim and heavy vibe of the event in Nick’s testimony. More likely that it was chosen due to the restaurant being run by Sicilian immigrants who were trusted (the famous 1976 “Last Supper” meeting of Chicago’s leadership was likely held at another Sicilian-owned restaurant for the same reason).
What I wrote previously about the ‘83 ceremony’s likely location:
viewtopic.php?p=236179#p236179
Very cool post - did Nick C just not remember where he was made/ did he just not mention it in his testimony? Seems like something one would remember and mention in court.
He didn’t specify the exact restaurant in his testimony; unclear if he didn’t recall the name or not, but he wasn’t queried on the stand about it. Possible that he didn’t recall, as the restaurant was closed a couple of years later and the building subsequently demolished and replaced with a gas station. Who knows if he was familiar with the restaurant apart from the ceremony.
The location to me is doubly evocative, given the storied history of Mt Carmel and the ownership being from Cìnisi and Ciminna, two towns that had an important place in the history of the mafia in Chicago.
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I think it was mentioned that a Chicago making ceremony was held across the street from a cemetery- was that intentional to imply the seriousness of the ceremony? Was this a frequent occurrence?
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Based on his description in his testimony, the 1983 ceremony at which Nick Calabrese was made was most likely held at what was then a Sicilian restaurant located across the street from Mt Carmel Cemetery in West Suburban Hillside. Mt Carmel is where Capone and many other figures connected to the Chicago mafia are buried.I don’t know that the location was chosen specifically because of Mt Carmel, though that certainly contributed to the overall grim and heavy vibe of the event in Nick’s testimony. More likely that it was chosen due to the restaurant being run by Sicilian immigrants who were trusted (the famous 1976 “Last Supper” meeting of Chicago’s leadership was likely held at another Sicilian-owned restaurant for the same reason).
What I wrote previously about the ‘83 ceremony’s likely location:
http://theblackhand.club/forum/viewtopic.php?p=236179#p236179
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Very cool post - did Nick C just not remember where he was made/ did he just not mention it in his testimony? Seems like something one would remember and mention in court.
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He didn’t specify the exact restaurant in his testimony; unclear if he didn’t recall the name or not, but he wasn’t queried on the stand about it. Possible that he didn’t recall, as the restaurant was closed a couple of years later and the building subsequently demolished and replaced with a gas station. Who knows if he was familiar with the restaurant apart from the ceremony.
The location to me is doubly evocative, given the storied history of Mt Carmel and the ownership being from Cìnisi and Ciminna, two towns that had an important place in the history of the mafia in Chicago.