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Re: San Diego Family

by sisterray » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:26 pm

https://books.google.pl/books?id=VTAxea ... li&f=false

On a side note, according to this testimony the younger Marco LiMandri was involved in the porn business and associated with Pasquale Antonelli and an „Anthony Michael Rizzi” from Los Angeles. Quite a turnaround.

Re: San Diego Family

by B. » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:17 pm

In 1974 Bomp also ID'd a made member of Piana dei Greci named Giuseppe DiCarlo who had been a longtime resident of Tijuana and helped mafia members in Mexico. He was even married to a Mexican woman. Jasper Matranga was dead by that time but shows he had a paesan made with the Sicilian mafia who lived alongside him in Tijuana.

San Diego Little Italy History

by The Greek » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:01 pm

https://www.littleitalysd.com/about/history

Little Italy’s throughout the United States have symbolized the tremendous contributions Italians have made to this country. Unfortunately, many of these historically established business districts are disappearing before our eyes. These Little Italys are either declining due to growth of other adjacent ethnic neighborhoods or are a shadow of their former glory due to the dispersion of Italian families from these districts.

San Diego’s Little Italy is different; a stable ethnic business and residential community, since the 1920′s. Little Italy, today, represents Downtown San Diego’s oldest continuous-neighborhood business district. At one time, more than 6,000 Italian families lived in Little Italy and toiled to build San Diego into the center of the world’s tuna industry.

With the decline of the tuna industry on the West Coast and the destruction of 35% of Little Italy due to the construction of Interstate-5 freeway; Little Italy suffered nearly thirty years of decline. In the early 1990′s, established property owners and family-run business owners decided to take their fate into their own hands.

Today our community is a model urban neighborhood in the City of San Diego; with new Italian American and non-Italian business owners alike maintaining and opening retail and professional spaces. As well as, creative builders and architects building beautiful new developments. The Little Italy Association of San Diego has been reviving this once thriving neighborhood for the past 20 years; while telling the story of Little Italy to its visitors through public art displays and amazing piazzas. San Diego’s Little Italy is not only a model urban neighborhood for the City of San Diego, but is also serving as a model for the handful of Little Italys remaining throughout the country.

"Our business district is rooted in the toil of immigrants and the perseverance and optimism of a new group of business owners. The strength of their faith and our proximity to the waterfront is what has supported families in Little Italy for generations."

- Marco Li Mandri, Chief Executive Administrator of The Little Italy Association of San Diego

Re: San Diego Family

by johnny_scootch » Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:57 am

davidf1989 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:20 am
B. wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:52 pm Also on another note, Bompensiero told the FBI before he was killed that Fratianno was the acting underboss. We already deduced that was his rank despite the "confusion" Fratianno created about being the one in charge but good to see it from Bomp.
Were Bompensiero and Fratianno friends or something?
They were, misery loves company. You should read Frattiano’s book, def worth checking out.

Re: San Diego Family

by davidf1989 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:20 am

B. wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:52 pm Also on another note, Bompensiero told the FBI before he was killed that Fratianno was the acting underboss. We already deduced that was his rank despite the "confusion" Fratianno created about being the one in charge but good to see it from Bomp.
Were Bompensiero and Fratianno friends or something?

Re: San Diego Family

by Don_Peppino » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:32 pm

Antiliar wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:03 pm Bill Bonanno made a lot of mistakes in his book and this was one of them. There's absolutely not the slightest bit of evidence that there was a brugad in San Diego, not to mention one that predated Los Angeles. I understand that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this is an area I've looked into with others for quite a long time.
Bill's assumption about the importance of San Diego probably comes from his father's association with SD capo Tony Mirabile. There is photo evidence in one of the Bonanno books and it couldn't have been merely social. Mirabile is a fascanating character. I believe he was operating in Tijuana as by the 30's and alledgedly establish one of the first "known" drug pipelines from Mexico into the southwest. Mirabile also was the preeminate bar owner/shylock in the downtown San Diego area. Prime real estate (then and now). I believe that Bonanno's expansionist plans is key to this relationship. I know Mirabile is originally a Detroit guy but it isn't lost on me that his surname is associated with the Bonanno Family. It seems Bonanno had some interest in SD, as an entry point into taking over California. Its a very lucrative area, and pretty open compared to the east coast.
If there was more known about Tony Bello and some of his dealings in the area (at that time) it could shed some light on Bonanno's motis operandi. Bello is the only official Bonanno guy I know of, who was in San Diego.

Re: San Diego Family

by Antiliar » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:03 pm

Bill Bonanno made a lot of mistakes in his book and this was one of them. There's absolutely not the slightest bit of evidence that there was a brugad in San Diego, not to mention one that predated Los Angeles. I understand that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this is an area I've looked into with others for quite a long time.

Re: San Diego Family

by B. » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:01 pm

Biagio Bonventre was one of the three LA members connected to Bonanno's plot to take out Desimone along with Frank Bompensiero who was in contact with Bonanno until Bomp was killed in 77. Bonventre was from Trapani thought not related to the Bonanno Bonventres but it's strange he came up as all we really know is he was a "capable" killer originally from Flint who doesn't seem to have been active in the 1960s.

What's funny about LiMandri wanting San Diego to break off is that the other plots involved merging the three California Families.

Re: San Diego Family

by Don_Peppino » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:51 pm

B. wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:34 pm
nizarsoccer wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:24 am
JoelTurner wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:16 am Didn't Bonanno say that the mafia in SoCal started out in San Diego? Was that a separate entity from the LA family?
Bill Bonanno mentioned that "Sicilian groups gathered in San Diego as early as 1920; by the 1930s they had branched out into Los Angeles" and mentioned a "chapter" being formed in San Francisco/San Jose in 1931.
Bill's perception might be based on his father's dealings. Joe Bonanno was affiliated with SD capo Tony Mirabile, with photo verification in one of tue Bonanno books. This relationship has never been flushed out. I assume it was more than just social. Mirabile was a interesting mafioso, having operated in Mexico during the 30s and 40s. Alledgedly creating the one of the first known drug pipelines into the southwest. Research on this relationship could answer some questions

San Francisco definitely had a much longer history than that, as we can confirm a formal Family existed there in the early 1920s when Gentile joined them but there's evidence of mafiosi in SF back into the 1800s. San Jose also existed as its own Family by 1929 when Tony Lima moved to SF.

I do wonder what Bill Bonanno's perception was based on for San Diego predating LA. If true, it either means LA evolved out of an existing group of mafiosi in San Diego or two groups were otherwise combined. San Diego had a strong relationship to Detroit-connected members from Alcamo and Partinico for decades which was different from LA's known make-up so maybe there were earlier roots from there. I know zero about early immigration to San Diego and what kind of colonies existed there before they were a confirmed LA decina.

Re: San Diego Family

by Adam » Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:12 am

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:37 pm It is very interesting that LiMandri is the one to suggest breaking off since aside from his connections, Jimmy Fratianno portrays him as someone with little ambition.

Also wonder who he felt there was in San Diego worth inducting, maybe his own brother John and then a guy like John Aquilante, along with the various bookmakers in the area? Definitely something to think about given that most of the known members of Adamo's group certainly don't appear to have active to any great extent by that time period.
To be fair, Fratianno portrays pretty much everyone as useless. That no one was as serious about Cosa Nostra as him or able to make any money like him. Yet he was broke and turned government witness. Go figure.

Re: San Diego Family

by B. » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:52 pm

Also on another note, Bompensiero told the FBI before he was killed that Fratianno was the acting underboss. We already deduced that was his rank despite the "confusion" Fratianno created about being the one in charge but good to see it from Bomp.

Re: San Diego Family

by B. » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:46 pm

JoePuzzles234 wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:37 pm It is very interesting that LiMandri is the one to suggest breaking off since aside from his connections, Jimmy Fratianno portrays him as someone with little ambition.

Also wonder who he felt there was in San Diego worth inducting, maybe his own brother John and then a guy like John Aquilante, along with the various bookmakers in the area? Definitely something to think about given that most of the known members of Adamo's group certainly don't appear to have active to any great extent by that time period.
Good question. It's like when Tony Lima tried to become boss of SF again in the 1970s and told the FBI he had a bunch of "recruits" lined up he wanted to bring into the Family but I've got no idea who they were.

Re: San Diego Family

by JoePuzzles234 » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:37 pm

It is very interesting that LiMandri is the one to suggest breaking off since aside from his connections, Jimmy Fratianno portrays him as someone with little ambition.

Also wonder who he felt there was in San Diego worth inducting, maybe his own brother John and then a guy like John Aquilante, along with the various bookmakers in the area? Definitely something to think about given that most of the known members of Adamo's group certainly don't appear to have active to any great extent by that time period.

Re: San Diego Family

by B. » Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:34 pm

nizarsoccer wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:24 am
JoelTurner wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:16 am Didn't Bonanno say that the mafia in SoCal started out in San Diego? Was that a separate entity from the LA family?
Bill Bonanno mentioned that "Sicilian groups gathered in San Diego as early as 1920; by the 1930s they had branched out into Los Angeles" and mentioned a "chapter" being formed in San Francisco/San Jose in 1931.
San Francisco definitely had a much longer history than that, as we can confirm a formal Family existed there in the early 1920s when Gentile joined them but there's evidence of mafiosi in SF back into the 1800s. San Jose also existed as its own Family by 1929 when Tony Lima moved to SF.

I do wonder what Bill Bonanno's perception was based on for San Diego predating LA. If true, it either means LA evolved out of an existing group of mafiosi in San Diego or two groups were otherwise combined. San Diego had a strong relationship to Detroit-connected members from Alcamo and Partinico for decades which was different from LA's known make-up so maybe there were earlier roots from there. I know zero about early immigration to San Diego and what kind of colonies existed there before they were a confirmed LA decina.

Re: San Diego Family

by motorfab » Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:33 am

Excellent find B.

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