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Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by gohnjotti » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:39 am

Nasabeak wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:02 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm I believe Scarpa Sr. was Capo or Acting Capo for a brief period in the early 1969s.


Pogo
Scarpa also said he had been attempting to wind down his activities and essentially retire he was flipped, but, that as an informant he had reignited his active interests in Cosa Nostra (meaning, doing more than essential activities) and would seek advancement up the Family ladder if the FBI wanted him to.
Almost undoubtedly a lie/deflection by Scarpa. He did a lot of that.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by Nasabeak » Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:02 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm I believe Scarpa Sr. was Capo or Acting Capo for a brief period in the early 1969s.


Pogo
He reported that be was a Capo as of 1961 with ten guys reporting to him; however, around when Joe Profaci died in Dec 1962, he was bumped to Soldier.

Scarpa also said he had been attempting to wind down his activities and essentially retire he was flipped, but, that as an informant he had reignited his active interests in Cosa Nostra (meaning, doing more than essential activities) and would seek advancement up the Family ladder if the FBI wanted him to.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by TallGuy19 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:47 pm

B. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:42 pm His son Greg Jr. was then an acting captain for the Scarpati crew before Chucky Russo took it over. People always call Scarpa Sr. a captain throughout his life but I've never seen evidence he was promoted again after his 1962 demotion.
Larry Mazza has claimed that he was made in an informal ceremony in the early nineties and that Scarpa was promoted to captain at that time, but I don't know how much stock to put into that.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by B. » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:42 pm

His son Greg Jr. was then an acting captain for the Scarpati crew before Chucky Russo took it over. People always call Scarpa Sr. a captain throughout his life but I've never seen evidence he was promoted again after his 1962 demotion.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:29 pm

Thanks for this.


Pogo

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by B. » Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:16 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm I believe Scarpa Sr. was Capo or Acting Capo for a brief period in the early 1969s.


Pogo
He was an official captain right before Profaci died then placed in Ambrose Magliocco's crew immediately afterward. He was under Magliocco when they held the illegitimate election of Joe Magliocco.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by gohnjotti » Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:48 pm

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:04 pm he'll go to hell even without the girls murder. i wonder why he was never a capo. was it by choice?
I don't know if he was ever taped or cited saying his relegation to 'soldier' was intentional, but Deal with the Devil definitely portrays it as such. Apparently Scarpa Sr. would openly abuse Scarpati in front of other crew members and undermine him. Scarpa also sat in on most big Persico-faction meetings during the Colombo war as a soldier. I believe after Scarpati's arrest he was formally in the crew of Anthony 'Chucky' Russo, correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by DonPeppino386 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:47 pm

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:04 pm he'll go to hell even without the girls murder. i wonder why he was never a capo. was it by choice?
Yeah absolutely no doubt where he is and I'd bet its pretty hot.

Good question. Tough for him to be a captain of that crew/area as Scappy was a longtime friend and ally of Carmine Persico going all the way back to the Garfield boys street gang in Brooklyn so the snake trusted him as much as he could trust anyone.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by CornerBoy » Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:04 pm

he'll go to hell even without the girls murder. i wonder why he was never a capo. was it by choice?

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:33 pm

I believe Scarpa Sr. was Capo or Acting Capo for a brief period in the early 1969s.


Pogo

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by DonPeppino386 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:35 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:50 amWas he ever a Capo? i read deal w devil but don't remember. I was just a bit too young to have been around when he was on the streets.
No, he was never a captain, he was a soldier under Anthony “Scappy” Scarpati, who according to testimony, when the order came down to kill Mary Bari reportedly said, "we are probably going to hell for this."

I remember reading recently that his son Greg Scarpa Jr was a captain however.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by DonPeppino386 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:32 am

Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:13 am
CornerBoy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:50 am Greek- i forgot about that. sick fuck.

Was he ever a Capo? i read deal w devil but don't remember. I was just a bit too young to have been around when he was on the streets.

I remember being very young when marvin shot his eye out. RIP joey randazzo.
Hi, Randazzo who died in that shootout was a connected guy?
Yeah, he was connected to Joey Schiro (Greg Scarpa's Stepson) and by extension Greg Scarpa.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by Nurzhamba » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:13 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:50 am Greek- i forgot about that. sick fuck.

Was he ever a Capo? i read deal w devil but don't remember. I was just a bit too young to have been around when he was on the streets.

I remember being very young when marvin shot his eye out. RIP joey randazzo.
Hi, Randazzo who died in that shootout was a connected guy?

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by CornerBoy » Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:50 am

Greek- i forgot about that. sick fuck.

Was he ever a Capo? i read deal w devil but don't remember. I was just a bit too young to have been around when he was on the streets.

I remember being very young when marvin shot his eye out. RIP joey randazzo.

Re: Did Scarpa give up Alphonse Persico?

by The Greek » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:11 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:31 pm It definitely had something to do with wild bill grass who was hiding him out in some small town in the middle of Connecticut. Some guy literally got killed because he either gave Allie boy up or was blamed for it.
So did Mary Bari just because she knew where he was

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