THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Is it a fact/ any proof that anthony persiano was also made in the lucchese???? I’m thinking that’s bs and he wasn’t or he was shelved way before philly made him

Interesting, wonder how many Joey’s been to .....? (Smart if he doesn’t ) We do know a few guys were held to be made until when Joey was out.
Wonder how many ceremonies uncle joe actually had before 2012 ? And if he had to have the names passed to the guys who weren’t not on the street ( Joey ,Georgie etc) to get an ok.??

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:32 am Louis DeAngelo is a good possibility

Isn’t it rumored he’s a captain/acting captain in south jersey?

Louis DeAngelo is a good possibility

Any idea who could have been made in the last 5 years?

Mikeymike12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:51 pm Wonder if 2016 was the last ceremony or if they have had one since that recording..??......Also wonder how many guys are up for being propose to get their Button next

GA and DS have said there have been multiple ceremonies since the 2015 one

Wonder if 2016 was the last ceremony or if they have had one since that recording..??......Also wonder how many guys are up for being propose to get their Button next

Hired_Goonz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:19 am

mike68 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:39 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:00 am Johnny Chang isn’t just an earner….

I believe that he was recorded saying it was an honor to avenge his brother's murder, or something similar.

I'm pretty sure that quote came from Natale. If Chang was caught on tape boasting about a murder he probably wouldn't be on the streets of Philly today. He was recorded by Previte but didn't cop to any murders during that conversation.

I believe Johnny Chang was indicted for that murder and Natale did testify to that affect. The problem was that Joey and the rest of that group kept Ralph in the dark about most of the details and their defense attorneys were able to punch enough holes in his testimony to get them off on the charges.

Scott B just released an episode of his original gangsters talking about the Philly family. He covers a lot of this information and did an incredible job. Great work.

mike68 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:39 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:00 am Johnny Chang isn’t just an earner….

I believe that he was recorded saying it was an honor to avenge his brother's murder, or something similar.

I'm pretty sure that quote came from Natale. If Chang was caught on tape boasting about a murder he probably wouldn't be on the streets of Philly today. He was recorded by Previte but didn't cop to any murders during that conversation.

Great list. I believe Nicky Milano also took part in the D'Alfonso hit before he was made.


Pogo

Murders and attempted murders living members were on-scene for prior to induction.

Martin Angelina:
- James Diaddorio
- Joseph F. Ciancaglini (attempted murder)
- Joseph Stanfa (attempted murder)

George Borgesi:
- James Diaddorio
- Joseph F. Ciancaglini (attempted murder)

Damion Canalichio:
- John Casasanto (possibly)

John Ciancaglini:
- William Veasey

Joseph Ciancaglini:
- Robert DeGeorge (possibly a spur-of-the-moment shooting as opposed to a hit)
- Alvin Feldman (possibly took place after he was inducted)

Giuseppe Gallara:
- Frank Baldino

Joseph Grande:
- Rocco Marinucci
- Harry Riccobene (attempted murder)
- Frank Martines (attempted murder)
- Salvatore Testa

Francis Iannarella:
- John Calabrese

Michael Lancellotti:
- James Diaddorio
- Joseph F. Ciancaglini (attempted murder)
- Leon Lanzilotta (attempted murder)

Joseph Ligambi:
- Salvatore Sollena
- Frank D’Alfonso

Frank Martines:
- Rod Colombo
- Mario Riccobene

Steven Mazzone:
- Felix Bocchino
- Joseph F. Ciancaglini (attempted murder)
- Joseph Stanfa (attempted murder)
- Leon Lanzilotta (attempted murder)

Joseph Merlino:
- Nicodemo S. Scarfo (attempted murder)

Nicholas Milano:
- Salvatore Tamburrino

Philip Narducci:
- Joseph Salerno (attempted murder)
- Frank Martines (attempted murder)
- Salvatore Tamburrino
- Frank D’Alfonso

Anthony Nicodemo:
- Ralph Mazzuca
- John Casasanto

Anthony Pungitore:
- Steven Vento (attempted murder)

Joseph Pungitore:
- Frank Narducci Sr

Salvatore Scafidi:
- Salvatore Testa
- Steven Vento (attempted murder)

Notes

- Mazzone, Narducci, and Joseph Grande lead the pack in terms of pre-induction work with four each

- Important to note this is just what we have confirmed (i.e., it’s very likely that the likes of Angelina, Borgesi, Lancellotti, and Mazzone were involved in more of the hits and attempted hits in the early 1990s)

- Joseph Servidio claimed to have made his bones at a young age

- Domenic Grande was scheduled to be inducted shortly before Ligambi was arrested in 2011, so was likely already a member when he participated in the Gino DiPietro murder

- On that note, many of the above members (and some not listed above) participated in more murders and attempts after they were straightened out

mike68 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:39 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:00 am Johnny Chang isn’t just an earner….

I believe that he was recorded saying it was an honor to avenge his brother's murder, or something similar.

Correct, it’s alleged he is one of the shooters in the Billie Veasey hit.

I think Vetere would have been involved in the Gino Marconi hit that the Boston faction was suspected of committing as a show of loyalty to Merlino. I think that he was shot coming out his front door or something like that.

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:00 am Johnny Chang isn’t just an earner….

I believe that he was recorded saying it was an honor to avenge his brother's murder, or something similar.