THE BLACK HAND FORUM

PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:57 pm

B. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 pm Sorry, I left out that I was referring to his father Giuseppe as being born 1859-1864, not John. I only found Italian records for the Giuseppe Lazio born 1857 in Sambuca so not sure that one ever came to the US but I haven't found any other candidates.

Ah ok, I was like huh? Lol.

KC records for Giuseppe Lazzio stated that he arrived in the US around 1891. There was a Giuseppe Lazio who arrived in NYC in 1893, born about 1856, bound for Brooklyn. Could well be the right guy, but the manifest doesn’t give an origin beyond Italy.

There was also a Giuseppe Lazzio born about 1857 in Tèrmini who arrived in Chicago in 1885; there were other Lazzios from Tèrmini in Chicago. Less likely that this is the right guy, I think, as we’ve never seen Termitani as a significant group in KC, and the other guy was headed to Brooklyn.

KCMOb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:18 am Were the Termini brothers from Termini? Half joking.

B. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:44 pm Some of the names in Antiliar's earlier post in this thread do show they had people from Termini, plus the Balestreres from Bagheria.

The Brooklyn one does look like a better match since they lived there.

B. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:09 pm Sorry, I left out that I was referring to his father Giuseppe as being born 1859-1864, not John. I only found Italian records for the Giuseppe Lazio born 1857 in Sambuca so not sure that one ever came to the US but I haven't found any other candidates.

B. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:42 pm Has anyone found John Lazia's heritage? Having trouble tracing it. The family used Lazio and Lazzio spellings as well and I've found multiple DOBs for him ranging from 1859-1864. There was a Giuseppe Lazio born in Sambuca in 1857 and that town shows up in Kansas City.

Antiliar wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 2:12 pm The KC Mafia developed in the North Side on certain streets. It would be interesting to see the proximity of certain members to each other. The important nuclei of KC were the DiGiovannis and the "men in the bakery."

We could also see if proximity reflected crews.

Antiliar wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 2:12 pm The KC Mafia developed in the North Side on certain streets. It would be interesting to see the proximity of certain members to each other. The important nuclei of KC were the DiGiovannis and the "men in the bakery."

We could also see if proximity reflected crews.

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:38 am

Chris Christie wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:28 am With the exception of Chiappetta who moved/transferred to St Louis, 100% of the KC membership lived in KC. Unlike other Families like CL, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Phila. that were regional groups. Even Chicago appears to have been mostly contained to Chicago/Heights with exceptions.

I wonder if we'll find the same thing for St Louis, Madison, Milwaukee, Rockford and Springfield.

In terms of mapping this, is it even relevant? There are no factions and it seems more interesting where the city was situated rather than where members lived.

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As stated, I want each of these 63 charts to be measurable with one another-
1) Origins (Region, Prov, City)
2) Occupation
3) Addresses (condensed or scattered)

Multi-citied families and single city families have different needs when it comes to mapping. And this KC Family has 3 members today who weren't Sicilian, so the mainland Italy map is redundant compared to a NY Families. It's stuff that I as the designer have to deal with but I'm open to ideas and suggestions.