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Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Snakes » Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:13 am

Ryan98366 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:09 am
sdeitche wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:33 am Algonquin for The Good Land. Pogo knows the reference.


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I remember reading in the book Donnie Brasco how big a deal Lefty made it out to be to meet with the Boss of Milwaukee Frank Balisteri. All the hoops and formal introductions and how big this was.

There were 11 members of this family. A glorified crew. LOL
A boss is a boss.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Ryan98366 » Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:09 am

sdeitche wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:33 am Algonquin for The Good Land. Pogo knows the reference.


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I remember reading in the book Donnie Brasco how big a deal Lefty made it out to be to meet with the Boss of Milwaukee Frank Balisteri. All the hoops and formal introductions and how big this was.

There were 11 members of this family. A glorified crew. LOL

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Snakes » Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:51 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.
San Jose - 35
St. Louis - 32
Tampa - 36

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by sdeitche » Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:06 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:06 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:03 pm
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?
The report
Ok. Will look this weekend

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Antiliar » Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:06 pm

sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:03 pm
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?
The report

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by sdeitche » Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:03 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 pm
sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.
Like the page numbers in the report, or the page numbers in the thread?

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Antiliar » Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 pm

sdeitche wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am Missed this last page from Buffalo.
Can you tell us the page numbers for San Jose, St. Louis and Tampa? Thanks again for everything Scott.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by sdeitche » Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:20 am

Missed this last page from Buffalo.


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Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Wiseguy » Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:24 am

Snakes wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:34 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 pm I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


Pogo
The number from the 1993 list was 206, so significant attrition would have had to occur for the number to drop that far. They didn't have the members broken down for the NY families, so I'm wondering if this was just bad intel or a typo, as you already mentioned.
The fact they had specific numbers for all the other families but just threw out generic, rounded figures for the Gambinos and Genovese makes me think they were just ballparking it on those two families, for whatever reason. Though the 400 for the Gambinos definitely doesn't make sense. Stands out much like when one report had 195 members for the Bonannos during the 1980s.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by funkster » Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:20 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:10 pm Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

FYI Scott cant wait until Friday Apr 15th ;)
Wife pre-ordered for Christmas. Looking forward to the read.
Preordered as well.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by sdeitche » Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:01 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:10 pm Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

FYI Scott cant wait until Friday Apr 15th ;)
Wife pre-ordered for Christmas. Looking forward to the read.
Thanks.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Snakes » Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:34 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 pm I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


Pogo
The number from the 1993 list was 206, so significant attrition would have had to occur for the number to drop that far. They didn't have the members broken down for the NY families, so I'm wondering if this was just bad intel or a typo, as you already mentioned.

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:48 pm

I'm wondering if that 400 figure was a typo and they meant to write 300. That would match other figures released from that era.


Pogo

Re: 1985 lists of made members for all families, unredacted

by SonnyBlackstein » Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:10 pm

Great info Scott.
Its noteworthy the FBI had the Binos at 400 with the Westside at 200. Such an overestimate is interesting. Guessing the Binos were around 225-250 in the 80's? Anyone have any data there?

FYI Scott cant wait until Friday Apr 15th ;)
Wife pre-ordered for Christmas. Looking forward to the read.

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