THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:45 pm how many of his sons got inducted into the mafia?

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:43 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:21 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:20 pm I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

Sammy had a lot of money by that time.If he really was manipulating Gotti, he would have been dead.I don’t believe that Sammy was instigating the murders

Gotti is on tape complaining about Sammy killing his partners and being too greedy . Sammy said these tapes are what led to him flipping.

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:21 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:20 pm I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

Sammy had a lot of money by that time.If he really was manipulating Gotti, he would have been dead.I don’t believe that Sammy was instigating the murders

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:20 pm I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:38 am

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:28 pm

Extortion wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:49 am

bronx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 am the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

I was under the impression Casso was never a captain but actually a soldier direct with Tick Furnari...

From Casso's senate testimony:

In 1986, Tony Ducks went to jail so he had to name a new boss. I became a 'capo' in 1986. After discussions within the family, Tony Ducks made Vic Amuso the boss at the end of 1986. At the end of 1987, Vic told me I was the new consiglieri. Then, in 1989, Vic named me the underboss of the family.

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:28 pm

Extortion wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:49 am

bronx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 am the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

I was under the impression Casso was never a captain but actually a soldier direct with Tick Furnari...

Extortion wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:49 am

bronx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 am the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

bronx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 am the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

bronx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:10 pm Shellack i concur, also with you 86..was gotti that foolish not to know about his brother, best friends all of them not know about dealing heroin, sal died in a plane crash..gotti never knew anything? if that is true they did all this behind his back ,they had him on pay no mind list, if that is case they punked him..