Angelo Ruggiero

[Browniety86]

I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

That and supposedly Ruggiero owed DiBernardo 250k

[bronx]

Shellack i concur, also with you 86..was gotti that foolish not to know about his brother, best friends all of them not know about dealing heroin, sal died in a plane crash..gotti never knew anything? if that is true they did all this behind his back ,they had him on pay no mind list, if that is case they punked him..

[Bruno187]

after gas attempt.. huge mistake by gotti not killing angelo..the drugs, the tapes, the killing of paul and tommy, angelo single handily destroyed the gambino family

And it might be argued La Cosa Nostra entirely.....Angelo on tape talking about who is boss of this borgata, who is on The Commission, who is doing this who is doing that. Those tapes were a gold mine to the Feds who used them to take down many many other guys who would otherwise maybe not have gotten in trouble.
Add in the cardinal rule breaking about killing a boss w/out approval, and you can say that between the two of them, they destroyed LCN as it existed.

[Browniety86]

Shellack i concur, also with you 86..was gotti that foolish not to know about his brother, best friends all of them not know about dealing heroin, sal died in a plane crash..gotti never knew anything? if that is true they did all this behind his back ,they had him on pay no mind list, if that is case they punked him..

There's absolutely no way Gotti didnt know about the drug dealing...if the Ruggiero tapes were partly used as some evidence to indict Paul on the Commission case, wouldnt Jimmy LaRossa be able to ask for a motion of discovery and thus receive the tape transcripts of the bug in Angelo's home?

[bronx]

i believe paul had the tapes ,he was pushing neil to make a choice ..lawyers get discovery..larossa got them

[bronx]

if paul ordered the tapes from them and they just said no, that is guilt and insubordination

[Shellackhead]

Shellack i concur, also with you 86..was gotti that foolish not to know about his brother, best friends all of them not know about dealing heroin, sal died in a plane crash..gotti never knew anything? if that is true they did all this behind his back ,they had him on pay no mind list, if that is case they punked him..

I think even before he stepped off to boss he knew. Even as acting captain for Charlie Wagons, that Bergin Hung & Fish Crew was deep into narcotics. He just turned a blind eye as long as he was getting his dough. He wasn’t a member of the crew but I remember a video Sammy posted about Patsy Conte had a meeting with Gotti & Sammy about him dealing drugs. If I remember correctly they said, try not to get caught & make sure I get my cut.

[Browniety86]

If Paul had the tapes and was pushing Dellacroce to decide, then the stalling is what got him killed. But in hindsight, bad as it sounds, how lucky is Paul to have got hit in the street then to have died in prison...I mean he was only around 70 when he died so he would have definitely been convicted with the other bosses and at least did 5-10 years of the hundred before he died naturally behind bars...The hit at Sparks happened so fast I doubt the guy felt a thing before he passed...

[Extortion]

the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

[Browniety86]

the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

I was under the impression Casso was never a captain but actually a soldier direct with Tick Furnari...

[chin_gigante]

the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

I was under the impression Casso was never a captain but actually a soldier direct with Tick Furnari...

From Casso's senate testimony:

In 1986, Tony Ducks went to jail so he had to name a new boss. I became a 'capo' in 1986. After discussions within the family, Tony Ducks made Vic Amuso the boss at the end of 1986. At the end of 1987, Vic told me I was the new consiglieri. Then, in 1989, Vic named me the underboss of the family.

[Dapper_Don]

the gas hit was as big a mistake as paul and tommy..think about this .they kill a boss, underboss and then try to kill the underboss of another family, nobody ever links this together when speaking about gotti's blunders.

Casso wasn’t underboss yet technically it was 86’ when this happened I believe. Can anyone comment on his official status in the family at this time?

I was under the impression Casso was never a captain but actually a soldier direct with Tick Furnari...

From Casso's senate testimony:

In 1986, Tony Ducks went to jail so he had to name a new boss. I became a 'capo' in 1986. After discussions within the family, Tony Ducks made Vic Amuso the boss at the end of 1986. At the end of 1987, Vic told me I was the new consiglieri. Then, in 1989, Vic named me the underboss of the family.

Interesting in that testimony Casso says he met Amuso in the early 70s, and says he was made in 74 and that Amuso was made in 77.

[Little_Al1991]

I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

Sammy had a lot of money by that time.If he really was manipulating Gotti, he would have been dead.I don’t believe that Sammy was instigating the murders

[TommyNoto]

I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

Sammy had a lot of money by that time.If he really was manipulating Gotti, he would have been dead.I don’t believe that Sammy was instigating the murders

Gotti is on tape complaining about Sammy killing his partners and being too greedy . Sammy said these tapes are what led to him flipping.

[Little_Al1991]

I believe that Casso fucked Ruggiero on a junk deal and he wanted to settle the score by hitting him, much like he evened the debt he owed Robert DiBernardo by putting falsehoods in Gotti's ear to get DiB killed...

I always thought that those guys that got clipped during Gottis tenure the known ones at least, like DB, Louie DiBono was all a plan from Sammy to take over their rackets.

Sammy had a lot of money by that time.If he really was manipulating Gotti, he would have been dead.I don’t believe that Sammy was instigating the murders

Gotti is on tape complaining about Sammy killing his partners and being too greedy . Sammy said these tapes are what led to him flipping.

I remember in Gravano’s book Underboss, he also adds that on the tape when Gotti was complaining to Locascio about Sammy, Locascio tells Gotti that Sammy is downstairs and that Gotti should speak to him about it but Gotti replies with something like tomorrow I will do it but of course, he didn’t do it.The tapes caused an issue between them at the MCC in Manhattan