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newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:52 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:25 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:07 am Bumping this thread because Jimmy Colandra posted a new video today telling a story about the Pappadio brother murders and the Lucchese family. I think this came from one of his 'guests' or one of those people that calls into his live streams claiming to be related to the Pappadios - but anyway, Colandra tells the story of how both of the Pappadios were heavy hitters in their own right but eventually got set up and killed by the respective administrations of the Lucchese family in the 70s and 80s.

Michael Pappadio's murder in 88 or 89 was ordered by Amuso and was always painted as this greedy power play where Amuso wanted to horde all of the profits of Pappadio's rackets for himself. When you hear the story of how Pappadio was lured into a meeting and savagely beaten and shot in the head, you think wow how horrible... what a greedy fuck that Amuso was. But I think it's easy to forget that Pappadio was a arch criminal himself, "his" rackets were perpetuated by the fact that he had the Lucchese family behind him and the generations before him had paved the way in the Garment Center, allowing him to operate there. The transition of power between Corralo and Amuso wasn't really smooth at all... I'm guessing that a lot of Capos just bided their time and weren't paying what they should have been, if anything at all. Waiting to see where the chips fell, and when they finally did fall in Brooklyn, they weren't kicking up what they were in the past. An Administration shift is a great opportunity to hide rackets, "cook the books" and reset the clock. When you think about it like this, Amuso seems like less of a greedy tyrant and more like a typical mob boss - I think any boss would have done what he did, if they encountered members of the organization thinking they weren't going to pay their fair share, thinking they were going to get over on the new admin and hide money. There were probably a lot of old greedy bastards who saw Amuso as a kid and thought they weren't going to pay him, and Amuso was forced to make examples out of them

Pappadio was given multiple opportunities by Vic to stay out of the garment centre.He didn’t listen so Al D’Arco was sent to deliver the message and once again, Pappadio didn’t listen.He was attacked by D’Arco with a pipe and then George Zappola shot him in the head

Exactly. D'Arco's book gives a little bit more of an objective view of the situation but it was still leaning towards Amuso and Casso simply seeing dollar signs and wanting to take over the whole thing for themselves. Calandra's video recap said the same thing - greed, jealously, etc. - but Pappadio was probably doing whatever he wanted in the Garment Center for years and a lot got lost in translation during the admin change. Amuso asked for accounting, it was found to be off, they asked for reconciliation, that never happened - so they told the guy to retire and enjoy his life and they were putting someone else in there. He didn't listen multiple times and ended up dying (a horrible violent death). They paint Amuso as this raving mad man who was just killing everybody, but I think any boss would have done what he did in this situation. I mean even Gotti had a really big earner and long time member in good standing killed because the guy refused to meet with him . Pretty similar situation here

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:25 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:07 am Bumping this thread because Jimmy Colandra posted a new video today telling a story about the Pappadio brother murders and the Lucchese family. I think this came from one of his 'guests' or one of those people that calls into his live streams claiming to be related to the Pappadios - but anyway, Colandra tells the story of how both of the Pappadios were heavy hitters in their own right but eventually got set up and killed by the respective administrations of the Lucchese family in the 70s and 80s.

Michael Pappadio's murder in 88 or 89 was ordered by Amuso and was always painted as this greedy power play where Amuso wanted to horde all of the profits of Pappadio's rackets for himself. When you hear the story of how Pappadio was lured into a meeting and savagely beaten and shot in the head, you think wow how horrible... what a greedy fuck that Amuso was. But I think it's easy to forget that Pappadio was a arch criminal himself, "his" rackets were perpetuated by the fact that he had the Lucchese family behind him and the generations before him had paved the way in the Garment Center, allowing him to operate there. The transition of power between Corralo and Amuso wasn't really smooth at all... I'm guessing that a lot of Capos just bided their time and weren't paying what they should have been, if anything at all. Waiting to see where the chips fell, and when they finally did fall in Brooklyn, they weren't kicking up what they were in the past. An Administration shift is a great opportunity to hide rackets, "cook the books" and reset the clock. When you think about it like this, Amuso seems like less of a greedy tyrant and more like a typical mob boss - I think any boss would have done what he did, if they encountered members of the organization thinking they weren't going to pay their fair share, thinking they were going to get over on the new admin and hide money. There were probably a lot of old greedy bastards who saw Amuso as a kid and thought they weren't going to pay him, and Amuso was forced to make examples out of them

Pappadio was given multiple opportunities by Vic to stay out of the garment centre.He didn’t listen so Al D’Arco was sent to deliver the message and once again, Pappadio didn’t listen.He was attacked by D’Arco with a pipe and then George Zappola shot him in the head

newera_212 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:07 am Bumping this thread because Jimmy Colandra posted a new video today telling a story about the Pappadio brother murders and the Lucchese family. I think this came from one of his 'guests' or one of those people that calls into his live streams claiming to be related to the Pappadios - but anyway, Colandra tells the story of how both of the Pappadios were heavy hitters in their own right but eventually got set up and killed by the respective administrations of the Lucchese family in the 70s and 80s.

Michael Pappadio's murder in 88 or 89 was ordered by Amuso and was always painted as this greedy power play where Amuso wanted to horde all of the profits of Pappadio's rackets for himself. When you hear the story of how Pappadio was lured into a meeting and savagely beaten and shot in the head, you think wow how horrible... what a greedy fuck that Amuso was. But I think it's easy to forget that Pappadio was a arch criminal himself, "his" rackets were perpetuated by the fact that he had the Lucchese family behind him and the generations before him had paved the way in the Garment Center, allowing him to operate there. The transition of power between Corralo and Amuso wasn't really smooth at all... I'm guessing that a lot of Capos just bided their time and weren't paying what they should have been, if anything at all. Waiting to see where the chips fell, and when they finally did fall in Brooklyn, they weren't kicking up what they were in the past. An Administration shift is a great opportunity to hide rackets, "cook the books" and reset the clock. When you think about it like this, Amuso seems like less of a greedy tyrant and more like a typical mob boss - I think any boss would have done what he did, if they encountered members of the organization thinking they weren't going to pay their fair share, thinking they were going to get over on the new admin and hide money. There were probably a lot of old greedy bastards who saw Amuso as a kid and thought they weren't going to pay him, and Amuso was forced to make examples out of them

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:30 am Gotti must have been seething when all casso hits became public

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:29 am You think gotti and amuso were sending messages to each other in prison. I mean after casso flips in 1994 and the details of all the murders vic amuso oked of gottis inner circle there had to be meesages. Proberly a question mike scars could answer. When the deccicco bombing mystery comes out did the gambinos on the street have a big meeting

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:22 am

joeycigars wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:04 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:48 am

dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:11 pm

AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 am The idea of Gaspipe as some kind of wise, cunning leader who passed a) becoming a Capo; and b) becoming boss mainly stems from the Phillip Carlo book. Whilst not without it's interesting points, I would classify that book as a borderline novel. He is so far up Casso's ass that it's very hard to discern fact from fiction.

As someone pointed out above, the fact that so many guys on the street still respect Amuso certainly tells us something about the calibre of the man, but we shouldn't forget that the late 80's / early 90's killing spree that he ultimately authorised (whether or not being influenced by Casso) did as much damage to LCN as the Colombo war or Gotti peacocking on Mulberry. It was short-sighted and none too bright.

Al D'Arco didn't seem to get along too well with Casso, but yet he still described Casso as "brilliant", "wiley", and "crafty". But as far as Casso's rise, D'Arco basically describes Gas as Vic's "long time friend" who he promoted whenever he got an opportunity. Gas's influence probably jus stems from their closeness, as opposed to Gas being some super genius with mind control over Vic.

Vic and Gas were close since the early 70s under Furnari in the 19th hole crew.Furnari promoted Amuso to Capo of that crew in 1981 when he had to vacate the position due to Furnari becoming the Consigliere but Casso claims the promotion was offered to him first just like with the boss position but Casso’s version of events are difficult to believe

Casso was a born liar and a good one ,
At first the mafia cops story was hard to believe,

Casso was caught in multiple lies by prosecutors which is one of the reasons why they ripped his deal up but his book is clearly also full of lies.He really bashes Amuso and Gravano in his book

joeycigars wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:04 am

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:48 am

dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:11 pm

AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 am The idea of Gaspipe as some kind of wise, cunning leader who passed a) becoming a Capo; and b) becoming boss mainly stems from the Phillip Carlo book. Whilst not without it's interesting points, I would classify that book as a borderline novel. He is so far up Casso's ass that it's very hard to discern fact from fiction.

As someone pointed out above, the fact that so many guys on the street still respect Amuso certainly tells us something about the calibre of the man, but we shouldn't forget that the late 80's / early 90's killing spree that he ultimately authorised (whether or not being influenced by Casso) did as much damage to LCN as the Colombo war or Gotti peacocking on Mulberry. It was short-sighted and none too bright.

Al D'Arco didn't seem to get along too well with Casso, but yet he still described Casso as "brilliant", "wiley", and "crafty". But as far as Casso's rise, D'Arco basically describes Gas as Vic's "long time friend" who he promoted whenever he got an opportunity. Gas's influence probably jus stems from their closeness, as opposed to Gas being some super genius with mind control over Vic.

Vic and Gas were close since the early 70s under Furnari in the 19th hole crew.Furnari promoted Amuso to Capo of that crew in 1981 when he had to vacate the position due to Furnari becoming the Consigliere but Casso claims the promotion was offered to him first just like with the boss position but Casso’s version of events are difficult to believe

Casso was a born liar and a good one ,
At first the mafia cops story was hard to believe,

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:48 am

dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:11 pm

AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 am The idea of Gaspipe as some kind of wise, cunning leader who passed a) becoming a Capo; and b) becoming boss mainly stems from the Phillip Carlo book. Whilst not without it's interesting points, I would classify that book as a borderline novel. He is so far up Casso's ass that it's very hard to discern fact from fiction.

As someone pointed out above, the fact that so many guys on the street still respect Amuso certainly tells us something about the calibre of the man, but we shouldn't forget that the late 80's / early 90's killing spree that he ultimately authorised (whether or not being influenced by Casso) did as much damage to LCN as the Colombo war or Gotti peacocking on Mulberry. It was short-sighted and none too bright.

Al D'Arco didn't seem to get along too well with Casso, but yet he still described Casso as "brilliant", "wiley", and "crafty". But as far as Casso's rise, D'Arco basically describes Gas as Vic's "long time friend" who he promoted whenever he got an opportunity. Gas's influence probably jus stems from their closeness, as opposed to Gas being some super genius with mind control over Vic.

Vic and Gas were close since the early 70s under Furnari in the 19th hole crew.Furnari promoted Amuso to Capo of that crew in 1981 when he had to vacate the position due to Furnari becoming the Consigliere but Casso claims the promotion was offered to him first just like with the boss position but Casso’s version of events are difficult to believe

dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:11 pm

AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 am The idea of Gaspipe as some kind of wise, cunning leader who passed a) becoming a Capo; and b) becoming boss mainly stems from the Phillip Carlo book. Whilst not without it's interesting points, I would classify that book as a borderline novel. He is so far up Casso's ass that it's very hard to discern fact from fiction.

As someone pointed out above, the fact that so many guys on the street still respect Amuso certainly tells us something about the calibre of the man, but we shouldn't forget that the late 80's / early 90's killing spree that he ultimately authorised (whether or not being influenced by Casso) did as much damage to LCN as the Colombo war or Gotti peacocking on Mulberry. It was short-sighted and none too bright.

Al D'Arco didn't seem to get along too well with Casso, but yet he still described Casso as "brilliant", "wiley", and "crafty". But as far as Casso's rise, D'Arco basically describes Gas as Vic's "long time friend" who he promoted whenever he got an opportunity. Gas's influence probably jus stems from their closeness, as opposed to Gas being some super genius with mind control over Vic.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:35 am Acceturro withheld monies and when the administration showed their teeth, he ratted. Demanding 50% is pretty crazy though, if that's true.

I always thought, especially after reading the D'Arco book, that the (Brooklyn) admin figured these Jersey guys were running around autonomous for years doing their own thing and they now wanted to bring everyone in, make sure everything was on record, and make sure going forward those guys were kicking up the same as everyone else - instead they all banded together for whatever reason (maybe some didn't trust it and thought they would be killed) and went on the run, ignored the orders to come in, etc. I think they did the same thing with DiLapi and instead of meeting, he fled to California and ended up getting hunted down.

Maybe I am totally off base but it would seem weird that the Admin's plan was to kill all of these guys from the jump...as greedy as they were, why would they want to take out long standing parts of what was a very well oiled machine ? Guys like DiLapi, Acceturo, had been around forever and it'd probably be better to keep them in position and keep things moving. They probably just caught delusions when they were called in, or were greedy themselves, and took off - leaving the Admin "no choice" but to make examples out of them. How does that look when you're a sitting Boss and people are outright refusing to meet with you, what could you do? If it went down the way it's been told over the years, you essentially have a whole crew telling the Admin to go fuck themselves. Maybe Vic and Casso weren't planning on hurting those guys originally, but when they got told to fuck off, they felt they had to.

At the same time they were doing things like putting pressure on longstanding members or guys who had cornered a specific racket in order to put someone more loyal to them in those positions - putting endless pressure and if that didn't work, they'd label the guy a rat and kill him. So I might be wrong about the whole Jersey thing...who knows... but it seems like Vic and Casso only got crazy when the Jersey guys got crazy with them first

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:49 pm

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:46 pm Could not agree more with this. Casso got to spin the story and Vic has just remained quiet. I find Casso’s story very self serving.

Two nuts for the squirrel.

AnIrishGuy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:28 am The idea of Gaspipe as some kind of wise, cunning leader who passed a) becoming a Capo; and b) becoming boss mainly stems from the Phillip Carlo book. Whilst not without it's interesting points, I would classify that book as a borderline novel. He is so far up Casso's ass that it's very hard to discern fact from fiction.

As someone pointed out above, the fact that so many guys on the street still respect Amuso certainly tells us something about the calibre of the man, but we shouldn't forget that the late 80's / early 90's killing spree that he ultimately authorised (whether or not being influenced by Casso) did as much damage to LCN as the Colombo war or Gotti peacocking on Mulberry. It was short-sighted and none too bright.