by PolackTony » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:13 pm
AlexfromSouth wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:19 am
Was Scarpa's origins really from northen Italy, Veneto?
My understanding is yes, but I haven’t looked into his genealogical records personally. Worth noting that the surname Scarpa is by far most frequent in Veneto province.
There must be a really small number of actual made members of LCN with ancestry from Veneto, though I’ve never seen a list. The one that, so far as I am aware, really takes the cake in this regard was Chicago Heights capo Al Pilotto. Pilotto’s family was from a formerly majority German speaking area of the Venetian alps all the way up by the border with Austria (though given the surname I assume Pilotto was from one of the Italian rather than German speaking comuni there). The great majority of the “northerners” that I’ve seen inducted into LCN were actually from Central Italy rather than the “real” north — Lazio, Marche, Toscana. And even in many cases that I’ve seen some of these guys were from “border” areas of the center like Frosinone, Lazio and Ascoli, Marche which were influenced by the historic Kingdom of Naples and where the local dialetti were related to the broader Neapolitan language group, so they had strong cultural continuities with the south proper.
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Was Scarpa's origins really from northen Italy, Veneto?
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My understanding is yes, but I haven’t looked into his genealogical records personally. Worth noting that the surname Scarpa is by far most frequent in Veneto province.
There must be a really small number of actual made members of LCN with ancestry from Veneto, though I’ve never seen a list. The one that, so far as I am aware, really takes the cake in this regard was Chicago Heights capo Al Pilotto. Pilotto’s family was from a formerly majority German speaking area of the Venetian alps all the way up by the border with Austria (though given the surname I assume Pilotto was from one of the Italian rather than German speaking comuni there). The great majority of the “northerners” that I’ve seen inducted into LCN were actually from Central Italy rather than the “real” north — Lazio, Marche, Toscana. And even in many cases that I’ve seen some of these guys were from “border” areas of the center like Frosinone, Lazio and Ascoli, Marche which were influenced by the historic Kingdom of Naples and where the local dialetti were related to the broader Neapolitan language group, so they had strong cultural continuities with the south proper.