THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Public knowledge, no one gives an F anymore w NJ gambling , it’s everywhere and out in the open

I expect the same with Weed

No one in NJ is being sent to jail for weed / gambling anymore
Great times to be a wise guy in those areas

Yes

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I know a CO in Hudson county and he was there

He was another of the wise guys that had excellent food catered in for him and the guards on a daily basis
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Also there is still big sports gambling action run out of JC delis . They give you an actual ticket , no joke
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Where at, the Heights?

[quote=TommyNoto post_id=212642 time=1637179936 user_id=5187]
I know a CO in Hudson county and he was there

He was another of the wise guys that had excellent food catered in for him and the guards on a daily basis
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Also there is still big sports gambling action run out of JC delis . They give you an actual ticket , no joke

I know a CO in Hudson county and he was there

He was another of the wise guys that had excellent food catered in for him and the guards on a daily basis

Interesting article on Genvoese associate Peter Caporino, who was giving $2,500 a week to Bobby Manna until he was able to reduce it to $850. Then when Manna went to jail in 1988, Caporino paid tribute to his wife Ida for the next 10 years, until 1998, when he started kicking up to big joe Scarborough, a powerful Genovese associate who oversaw a crew that ran bookmaking and loan-sharking from a Hoboken social club.

The guy was also a government informant for 15 years and ended up wearing a wire for the government.

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2021/11/genovese-associate-in-new-jersey.html?m=1

When was Vinny Basciano ever with the Genovese? news to me. And I think they are respected and revered more than feared. this idea that they don't make guys until they are old timers is also blown way out of proportion. Bellomo, Ragusa, Sal Larca, Ralph Balsamo, Steve Alfisi -- all made young. And that's just the current generation.

I’d say the only reason any family in NY would fear another would have to be a family’s connections into politics and law enforcement aka “the web”. Guns can kill people and just because a family might be short 20-30 guys…Up against 10-15 real killers or people with massive reach is where the fear would come from. Yes, numbers matter but what are they gonna do go all out war in the streets. It would be little bouts of violence here and there. They wouldn’t be able to gather an entire family in one spot and go to war.

they had a strong boss who didnt take any shit. he also got into a few other smaller families bussiness sometimes picking there admininstrations. ie philly and new england.

Why would any made member of one of the other families be afraid of the Genovese in the first place? Surely as a made member the only one you should fear is your boss, as he is the one who can order your death?

Respect is probably the better term here, tbh. John Pennisi mentioned that others looked up to the Genovese and their way of doing things, the secrecy, and their wealth and influence.

Basciano was with Trinchera by the time he was 20 and was made in his 30s. He didn't leave to get his button and wouldn't be allowed to do that. Trinchera was close to the DeFilippos going back to the 1960s so these are all longstanding relationships.

By the way, I don't think other Families were afraid of the Genovese, they were simply taken seriously by the other Families and have a formidable reputation. They follow the same rules as everyone else.

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It s a lot harder to get made into the Westside as well.

Vinny Gorgeous was with the Genovese but left to get his button sooner. Many more examples, the conversation about guys not getting made with Rooster/Rubeo etc etc

Youre therefor going to have a higher quality of button with the Genovese than other families.
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He was? I didn't know that, I always thought he was a Bonanno guy and came up under Trinchera and later, Patty DeFilippo. The Genovese thing would make a lot of sense because of the whole Bronx & Northern suburbs connection...who was he around or under from the Genovese? Could only imagine the different career trajectory he would have had if he ended up with the Genovese

Definitely, I met someone that has family members in the life & he told me the genovese normally wait 15-20 years to put you in as a candidate to be straightened out

It s a lot harder to get made into the Westside as well.

Vinny Gorgeous was with the Genovese but left to get his button sooner. Many more examples, the conversation about guys not getting made with Rooster/Rubeo etc etc

Youre therefor going to have a higher quality of button with the Genovese than other families.

The Genovese Family has had a fair share of informants or rats (if you so will) just like the other Families. In that Bruno case for example, John Bologna was feeding info to the feds.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2017/05/fbi_john_bologna_documents.html

Cookie Durso is another informant who brought damage to the Genovese Family.

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2016/09/we-dont-break-our-capos-we-kill-them.html

There are other examples as well.

One could argue that these informants were low level guys. But if you read the articles in the link provided, they did serious damage to made guys, captains and even bosses who apparently talked pretty freely around these guys and what does that say about the members? Again, the Genovese members are no super humans, they also make mistakes. Plenty of Genovese members have been charged with criminal offenses and found guilty in the last 10 years or so, so they are not immune from prosecution. I agree though, they seem to have a knack of selecting good, solid leaders even if many of them ended up in the can.