by eboli » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:57 am
Coloboy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:39 am
My knowledge mostly lies with the Chicago outfit, and I don’t have much background on the New York families. I know these have probably been answered many times over, but couldn’t find them in the threads. My apologies if this is redundant
Regarding chin and his front boss setup….
1.) did everyone in his own family know who the real boss was?
2.) were the other four families aware of the arrangement? How about families in other cities?
3.) Do we know if gigante and Salerno met regularly? Or did they use a go between for chin to pass orders through.
4,) Finally, what degree of autonomy did Salerno have? I have to think meetings with other families would have been awkward if all he could say was “I’ll get back to you with an answer on that”. Obviously he had some form of authority to be able to make decisions.
The most similar arrangement that I am familiar with was how Tony Accardo (and Paul Ricca before him), were the true top bosses, or chairmen of the board, of the Chicago organization. They had various other day to day bosses, but that set up seems a little different in the fact that the day today boss in the outfit handled most of the business. Best we can tell the top boss, such as accardo, could overrule decisions and his word was final, but the day to day guy ran most of the operations and had significant authority. Most Outfit experts wouldn’t call the day today boss a “front boss “, as it seems he had a little more authority then simply being told what to do. I’m curious about how this arrangement worked in the Genovese family.
1) Yes.
2) Yes, they were. Chicago was aware, too.
3) They communicated personally and through other people.
4) Gigante and Salerno's relationship in the early 1980s was very similar to the one Jerry Catena had with Strollo/Eboli/Tieri - his underbosses/acting bosses between 1959 and 1972. They had significant freedom to operate, including the authority to go to commission meetings and sanctioning murders, but had no say in decisions deemed above their competence. The Chicago comparisons are appropriate too.
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My knowledge mostly lies with the Chicago outfit, and I don’t have much background on the New York families. I know these have probably been answered many times over, but couldn’t find them in the threads. My apologies if this is redundant
Regarding chin and his front boss setup….
1.) did everyone in his own family know who the real boss was?
2.) were the other four families aware of the arrangement? How about families in other cities?
3.) Do we know if gigante and Salerno met regularly? Or did they use a go between for chin to pass orders through.
4,) Finally, what degree of autonomy did Salerno have? I have to think meetings with other families would have been awkward if all he could say was “I’ll get back to you with an answer on that”. Obviously he had some form of authority to be able to make decisions.
The most similar arrangement that I am familiar with was how Tony Accardo (and Paul Ricca before him), were the true top bosses, or chairmen of the board, of the Chicago organization. They had various other day to day bosses, but that set up seems a little different in the fact that the day today boss in the outfit handled most of the business. Best we can tell the top boss, such as accardo, could overrule decisions and his word was final, but the day to day guy ran most of the operations and had significant authority. Most Outfit experts wouldn’t call the day today boss a “front boss “, as it seems he had a little more authority then simply being told what to do. I’m curious about how this arrangement worked in the Genovese family.
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1) Yes.
2) Yes, they were. Chicago was aware, too.
3) They communicated personally and through other people.
4) Gigante and Salerno's relationship in the early 1980s was very similar to the one Jerry Catena had with Strollo/Eboli/Tieri - his underbosses/acting bosses between 1959 and 1972. They had significant freedom to operate, including the authority to go to commission meetings and sanctioning murders, but had no say in decisions deemed above their competence. The Chicago comparisons are appropriate too.