by PolackTony » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:19 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:30 am
nizarsoccer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:20 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:38 am
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:34 pm
Strax wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:22 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:46 am
Who’s the most powerful Camorra clan?
I would say Casalesi hands down , Camorra lacks the connections that Sicilians and 'Ndrangheta have , Camorra clans disappear and appear in every few years, in recent years it got worse , you have clans made up of literally teenagers.
Casalesi structure are similar to Sicilians , also Nuvoletta clan similar to Sicilians , some members for Nuvolettas were made both into Camorra and Cosa Nostra.
How is the Camorra initiation ritual? What are the differences with LCN?
The Camorra dont have making ceremonies and is horizontal without a hierarchy like the mafia or the ndrangheta (the only one who tried to create a top-down organization was cutolo but failed) this is the reasons why there is so many feuds and so many rats.
The Mazzarella in the early 2000s lost most of it territory that passed to the Orlando and Polverino clan that was parts of the Nuvolettas and becomed independent.
In Al D'Arco's book Mob Boss he mentioned the American Camorra had initiation ceremonies in the early 1900s. Why did they stop with the ceremonies?
"The Navy Street Gang, as the tabloid papers dubbed the crew controlling those streets, earned its first headlines in the late twenties. On trial for the shooting deaths of two men gunned down at the corner of Johnson and Navy Streets, “Tony the Shoe Maker” sat confidently in the dock. Witnesses against him suddenly remembered nothing. Didn’t he recall, a witness named “Buffalo Mike” was asked by a prosecutor, telling a grand jury about his initiation into the secret society called the Camorra? How his initiator had slit open a vein in his arm and sucked a small taste of blood from the wound? How he had explained that this was the “Brotherhood of the Blood"?"
The American camorra is another thing respect the modern day camorra.
In the 1800s the Bella Società Riformata had a pyramidal scheme but in the 1900s didn exist anymore and apart Cutolo with the NCO,the Camorra never had a making ceremony or a piramidal scheme because the clans dont want to recognize somebody below them.
Even the Casalesi are unite but divided in various families:Bidognetti,Schiavone,Zagaria etc.
Yes, the old Camorra in Naples was smashed by the police and Italian government in the early 1900s. I’ve wondered to what degree the Camorra organizations in rural Campania persisted, as they weren’t taken down in the same way that the urban Camorra of Naples was. On the other hand, I don’t know to what degree the rural phenomena had parallel structured or practices to the urban “Bella Società”. From what I understand, the modern Camorra was a post-WW2 recreation and I don’t know what if any substantial continuity it had with the older organization apart from the name.
Even if the modern Camorra does not practice a formal initiation ceremony, does it still mark membership in a strict sense? I’m thinking of the instances where American LCN families forewent the traditional induction ceremony. Even when that was dispensed with, they still had a very formal and well-defined definition of who was a “member”, regardless of whether a guy had his finger pricked or not.
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Who’s the most powerful Camorra clan?
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I would say Casalesi hands down , Camorra lacks the connections that Sicilians and 'Ndrangheta have , Camorra clans disappear and appear in every few years, in recent years it got worse , you have clans made up of literally teenagers.
Casalesi structure are similar to Sicilians , also Nuvoletta clan similar to Sicilians , some members for Nuvolettas were made both into Camorra and Cosa Nostra.
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How is the Camorra initiation ritual? What are the differences with LCN?
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The Camorra dont have making ceremonies and is horizontal without a hierarchy like the mafia or the ndrangheta (the only one who tried to create a top-down organization was cutolo but failed) this is the reasons why there is so many feuds and so many rats.
The Mazzarella in the early 2000s lost most of it territory that passed to the Orlando and Polverino clan that was parts of the Nuvolettas and becomed independent.
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In Al D'Arco's book Mob Boss he mentioned the American Camorra had initiation ceremonies in the early 1900s. Why did they stop with the ceremonies?
"The Navy Street Gang, as the tabloid papers dubbed the crew controlling those streets, earned its first headlines in the late twenties. On trial for the shooting deaths of two men gunned down at the corner of Johnson and Navy Streets, “Tony the Shoe Maker” sat confidently in the dock. Witnesses against him suddenly remembered nothing. Didn’t he recall, a witness named “Buffalo Mike” was asked by a prosecutor, telling a grand jury about his initiation into the secret society called the Camorra? How his initiator had slit open a vein in his arm and sucked a small taste of blood from the wound? How he had explained that this was the “Brotherhood of the Blood"?"
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The American camorra is another thing respect the modern day camorra.
In the 1800s the Bella Società Riformata had a pyramidal scheme but in the 1900s didn exist anymore and apart Cutolo with the NCO,the Camorra never had a making ceremony or a piramidal scheme because the clans dont want to recognize somebody below them.
Even the Casalesi are unite but divided in various families:Bidognetti,Schiavone,Zagaria etc.
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Yes, the old Camorra in Naples was smashed by the police and Italian government in the early 1900s. I’ve wondered to what degree the Camorra organizations in rural Campania persisted, as they weren’t taken down in the same way that the urban Camorra of Naples was. On the other hand, I don’t know to what degree the rural phenomena had parallel structured or practices to the urban “Bella Società”. From what I understand, the modern Camorra was a post-WW2 recreation and I don’t know what if any substantial continuity it had with the older organization apart from the name.
Even if the modern Camorra does not practice a formal initiation ceremony, does it still mark membership in a strict sense? I’m thinking of the instances where American LCN families forewent the traditional induction ceremony. Even when that was dispensed with, they still had a very formal and well-defined definition of who was a “member”, regardless of whether a guy had his finger pricked or not.