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Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by nizarsoccer » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:32 pm

Dapper_Don wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:54 pm
dave wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:17 am
Dapper_Don wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm Finished with the last episode yesterday, best part in my opinion was episode I think it was 7 where they spend good amount of time talking about persico, orena, tidbit about gerry lang, etc. Overall I give it a 6.5 out of 10 - mostly cause we have already heard most of this stuff and the previews spoiled major parts of it. Chazz and Giuliani (embarrassment at this point, looks like he has depends on) take up unnecessary time not really needed.
What was brought up with Orena and Gerry Lang? A lot of the clips are pretty interesting to listen to, just two former high level made guys chatting away. Gravano at one point was going to have Richard Cantarella on his channel, but apparently they had some falling out unfortunately.
The whole discussion of orena coming up in the sonny franzese crew, they always kept him at arms length cause he would run and tell persico everything they were doing/saying. also gotti teaming up with orena to take a piece of the gas business they delve more into that, also that gerry lang was not a likeable person/poor personality amongst other stuff. talked about the gotti ordered hit on scarpa sr by gravano after orena asked for help, orena later backed off and rescinded the request. Mike talks a bit more about how persico broke sonny down to soldier, etc. persico confronting about taking a plea, getting permission to do that,etc.

That wold have been good to have Cantarella on there with Sammy.

Lol I wonder how he tried to explain to Perisco how he kicked up enough when Iorizzo said he funneled 360 million to the Colombo Family or that they stole 40-55 million in Florida alone. Franzese did say Persico basically threatened him at MDC to turn over more money or else.... we can only imagine how pissed the Colombo administration was at that whole situation. One of the more interesting parts that came up from the "sit-down".

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Dapper_Don » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:54 pm

dave wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:17 am
Dapper_Don wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm Finished with the last episode yesterday, best part in my opinion was episode I think it was 7 where they spend good amount of time talking about persico, orena, tidbit about gerry lang, etc. Overall I give it a 6.5 out of 10 - mostly cause we have already heard most of this stuff and the previews spoiled major parts of it. Chazz and Giuliani (embarrassment at this point, looks like he has depends on) take up unnecessary time not really needed.
What was brought up with Orena and Gerry Lang? A lot of the clips are pretty interesting to listen to, just two former high level made guys chatting away. Gravano at one point was going to have Richard Cantarella on his channel, but apparently they had some falling out unfortunately.
The whole discussion of orena coming up in the sonny franzese crew, they always kept him at arms length cause he would run and tell persico everything they were doing/saying. also gotti teaming up with orena to take a piece of the gas business they delve more into that, also that gerry lang was not a likeable person/poor personality amongst other stuff. talked about the gotti ordered hit on scarpa sr by gravano after orena asked for help, orena later backed off and rescinded the request. Mike talks a bit more about how persico broke sonny down to soldier, etc. persico confronting about taking a plea, getting permission to do that,etc.

That wold have been good to have Cantarella on there with Sammy.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Shellackhead » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:57 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 pm
joeycigars wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:33 pm
Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:07 pm Why don’t they just release the whole thing on YouTube? I’m not paying 40$ to watch shit that I can find on here or Google.
Ill pay 40 if Sammys grand daughter Karina Seabrook shows her snatch , Shes one step away from it 8-) before she looks like her mother, come on Karina one for the team
I follow her on IG she’s bad asf
It's hard to tell what these girls actually look like now. All the make up and filters and angles etc etc.
You ever see the photo of Kim Kardashian at the beach that is not touched up? It's one of the most nastiest pictures you will ever see. Cellulite everywhere, she looked like a fat slob in a bikini. This was yrs ago when I listened to a Joe Rogan episode and they had a paparazzi guy on there.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I remember that pic, I can tell that Karina or whatever her name is doesn’t look the same without make up she wears a lot of make up but her body is great. I know for a fact she got surgeries cus American girls don’t have bodies like that, most at least.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Tonyd621 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:04 pm

Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 pm
joeycigars wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:33 pm
Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:07 pm Why don’t they just release the whole thing on YouTube? I’m not paying 40$ to watch shit that I can find on here or Google.
Ill pay 40 if Sammys grand daughter Karina Seabrook shows her snatch , Shes one step away from it 8-) before she looks like her mother, come on Karina one for the team
I follow her on IG she’s bad asf
It's hard to tell what these girls actually look like now. All the make up and filters and angles etc etc.
You ever see the photo of Kim Kardashian at the beach that is not touched up? It's one of the most nastiest pictures you will ever see. Cellulite everywhere, she looked like a fat slob in a bikini. This was yrs ago when I listened to a Joe Rogan episode and they had a paparazzi guy on there.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by dave » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:17 am

Dapper_Don wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm Finished with the last episode yesterday, best part in my opinion was episode I think it was 7 where they spend good amount of time talking about persico, orena, tidbit about gerry lang, etc. Overall I give it a 6.5 out of 10 - mostly cause we have already heard most of this stuff and the previews spoiled major parts of it. Chazz and Giuliani (embarrassment at this point, looks like he has depends on) take up unnecessary time not really needed.
What was brought up with Orena and Gerry Lang? A lot of the clips are pretty interesting to listen to, just two former high level made guys chatting away. Gravano at one point was going to have Richard Cantarella on his channel, but apparently they had some falling out unfortunately.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Dapper_Don » Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm

Finished with the last episode yesterday, best part in my opinion was episode I think it was 7 where they spend good amount of time talking about persico, orena, tidbit about gerry lang, etc. Overall I give it a 6.5 out of 10 - mostly cause we have already heard most of this stuff and the previews spoiled major parts of it. Chazz and Giuliani (embarrassment at this point, looks like he has depends on) take up unnecessary time not really needed.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Shellackhead » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 pm

joeycigars wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:33 pm
Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:07 pm Why don’t they just release the whole thing on YouTube? I’m not paying 40$ to watch shit that I can find on here or Google.
Ill pay 40 if Sammys grand daughter Karina Seabrook shows her snatch , Shes one step away from it 8-) before she looks like her mother, come on Karina one for the team
I follow her on IG she’s bad asf

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by joeycigars » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:33 pm

Shellackhead wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:07 pm Why don’t they just release the whole thing on YouTube? I’m not paying 40$ to watch shit that I can find on here or Google.
Ill pay 40 if Sammys grand daughter Karina Seabrook shows her snatch , Shes one step away from it 8-) before she looks like her mother, come on Karina one for the team

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Nick Prango » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:04 am

bronx wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:34 pm gotti sr tells his son "if you had a church steeple sticking out of your ass" by the oath ,by the cosa nostra"book" by the the blood you spill on the saint and burn it, never admit anything about anyone to the public, law enforcement, even your girl friend. lol. this hard core rule has been broken by many ..bosses included, all bullshit..giving competion up to L.E. goes back .. there are many who did die by those rules, death penalty , life in prison.. scammy is a disgrace ,what he says is bad about the life..is him..he must not have a mirror..mike f .talks about guys who flip manipulating the G. he is still doing it ,to them and us..great theatre ,they set it up well. scamming everyone again..but it is fun to watch..
I totally agree. Gravano is definitely a disgrace. He is one of the best USA government witnesses ever. He was snitching on everybody, what about Locascio? He stood trial with Gotti and as far as I’m aware Locascio was on the same page as Gravano (that Gotti is crazy). Locascio went down because of Gravano.

The Chin got testified against by Gravano, hell 35 other mobsters went down because of Gravano’s testimony.

Guy sung like a bird, no doubt. I don’t really get behind he did it to get back at Gotti, he snitched on all his pals and associates

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Rat » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:15 pm

Did this thing even ever come out?

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Shellackhead » Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:07 pm

Why don’t they just release the whole thing on YouTube? I’m not paying 40$ to watch shit that I can find on here or Google.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by bronx » Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:34 pm

gotti sr tells his son "if you had a church steeple sticking out of your ass" by the oath ,by the cosa nostra"book" by the the blood you spill on the saint and burn it, never admit anything about anyone to the public, law enforcement, even your girl friend. lol. this hard core rule has been broken by many ..bosses included, all bullshit..giving competion up to L.E. goes back .. there are many who did die by those rules, death penalty , life in prison.. scammy is a disgrace ,what he says is bad about the life..is him..he must not have a mirror..mike f .talks about guys who flip manipulating the G. he is still doing it ,to them and us..great theatre ,they set it up well. scamming everyone again..but it is fun to watch..

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Antiliar » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:42 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:01 am Checked out the preview. Gravano's gripe about Franzese being green and still moving in front of the line ahead of guys who deserved it more is as old as time. So many factors go into it ranging from circumstances to who's who, it's safe to say that the Mafia isn't an equal opportunity employer and it's no fault of Franzese's. Still though, what Gravano is echoing is on par with other "workers" like Fratianno and others who had to prove they could hold the position while the sons of members were given it and expected to grow into it. The answer varies depending on who you ask and their background. I imagine both Paul Castellano and John Gotti would give very different answers if they were to candidly describe what the quintessential made guy should embody.

This also- for researchers like B, Rick and myself would find ironic is that we have a Sicilian starting that to a Napolitan. The situation is an embodiment of 100 years of Americanization and yet the subculture and rivalry between blue and white collar mafiosi remains.

As far as what constitutes an informant in that world, I asked DiLeonardo and he summarized it: "if someone tells the government anything about anyone then he's a rat. If someone called the FBI about al Qaeda he's a rat." That seems to be the mafia's definition and criteria so Franzese doesnt have a leg to stand on when he says he didnt send anyone to jail, it's an irrelevant point. So Gravano is correct.

Gravano's Jr-being-made-and-Chin-saying-sorry-to-hear-that also changed. In the book Gigante replied that to Gotti because, according to Gravano, the life was getting bad and no one in their right mind would want the life for their children. Now the story is Chin said that because Junior jumped ahead of the line and "that's not Cosa Nostra." As an outsider whose followed 200 years of this, it is, it kinda is.

It's an argument that can also be applied to boss, throughout history theres been no shortage of guys taking leadership positions over more seasoned or established figures.

As far as the fight scene build up at the end, looked to me like both men were smiling. And was it nessecary to have a guy sitting still each behind man against opposite walls. Were they paid to just sit there for ten hours? It's two senior citizens not Tyson and Holyfield in a stylized room. And we wonder why is cost 500k.
Additionally, we've seen in the history of the Mafia that there have been plenty of members who were made because of a special skill that helped the organization. This includes physicians, attorneys, businessmen, and even the occasional priest. Melchiorre Allegra was a politically-minded physician who was made into the Pagliarelli borgata, Frank Borgia a wealthy vintner who was made into the Los Angeles Family, Frank Desimone was a criminal attorney who eventually became boss of the L.A. Family, Robert DiBernardo reportedly never did "heavy work" before getting made, etc: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7534
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So there's nothing "non-Cosa Nostra" about a guy getting made with no history of being in a gang or committing murders.

Regarding what constitutes a "rat," we've also seen the definition of not hurting anybody, or even just not hurting another member. We've seen the strict definition of rat broken all the time. We discussed that in the book Carlo Gambino: Boss of Bosses there's a story about Gambino notifying the police about a black criminal. It's common knowledge that a young Lucky Luciano notified narcotics agents about a stash in a member's car. FBI files are full of members - including some bosses - who talked to the feds to their benefit. There was a general rule that the son of a police officer couldn't get made, but in Chicago they may have made a few ex-cops (and even had members who were active in law enforcement). So we might say that DiLeonardo's definition is the "by the book" definition, but plenty of members had a more liberal definition.

I had the same feeling when I heard Gravano revise the Gotti-Gigante story. I suspect that he's revised a few more stories.

The latest Sammy the Bull podcast shines a little more light on the meeting. It apparently was held in or near a winery in Napa, California (if I recall correctly). It makes sense considering that Gravano lives in Arizona and Franzese and Ben-David are in California. It's beautiful country up there.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Angelo Santino » Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:01 am

Checked out the preview. Gravano's gripe about Franzese being green and still moving in front of the line ahead of guys who deserved it more is as old as time. So many factors go into it ranging from circumstances to who's who, it's safe to say that the Mafia isn't an equal opportunity employer and it's no fault of Franzese's. Still though, what Gravano is echoing is on par with other "workers" like Fratianno and others who had to prove they could hold the position while the sons of members were given it and expected to grow into it. The answer varies depending on who you ask and their background. I imagine both Paul Castellano and John Gotti would give very different answers if they were to candidly describe what the quintessential made guy should embody.

This also- for researchers like B, Rick and myself would find ironic is that we have a Sicilian starting that to a Napolitan. The situation is an embodiment of 100 years of Americanization and yet the subculture and rivalry between blue and white collar mafiosi remains.

As far as what constitutes an informant in that world, I asked DiLeonardo and he summarized it: "if someone tells the government anything about anyone then he's a rat. If someone called the FBI about al Qaeda he's a rat." That seems to be the mafia's definition and criteria so Franzese doesnt have a leg to stand on when he says he didnt send anyone to jail, it's an irrelevant point. So Gravano is correct.

Gravano's Jr-being-made-and-Chin-saying-sorry-to-hear-that also changed. In the book Gigante replied that to Gotti because, according to Gravano, the life was getting bad and no one in their right mind would want the life for their children. Now the story is Chin said that because Junior jumped ahead of the line and "that's not Cosa Nostra." As an outsider whose followed 200 years of this, it is, it kinda is.

It's an argument that can also be applied to boss, throughout history theres been no shortage of guys taking leadership positions over more seasoned or established figures.

As far as the fight scene build up at the end, looked to me like both men were smiling. And was it nessecary to have a guy sitting still each behind man against opposite walls. Were they paid to just sit there for ten hours? It's two senior citizens not Tyson and Holyfield in a stylized room. And we wonder why is cost 500k.

Re: Sit down Between Gravano,Franzese, Giuliani and Chazz Palminteri

by Pmac2 » Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:40 am

Yaeh all the youtube guys went stale. Unless some old rat comes forth its done. How many times can sammy tell the big paul hit or mike f about the gas tax scam. Alite gave up i think. Calandra ran out of bath ave storys. Maybe someone comes forth but it dead for now. Sammy cant remember anything he didnt put in his book ive notcied. All that prison time probaly fucked his memory up. Hes on his 3 season of his podcast still talking about the aftermath of pauls hit and frank d getting killed

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