THE BLACK HAND FORUM

by **TwoPiece** » Thu May 13, 2021 5:27 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:06 pm
TwoPiece wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:57 pm
desertdog wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:38 am Thanks...Good info...I'm still amazed at the degree of treachery and backstabbing in the life. I wonder if anyone ever had the balls to refuse to do a hit on a friend.
lucchese member johnny petrucelli refused to kill gus farace when amuso and casso told him to.. he ended up getting whacked over the refusal obviously.
He kind of had a point. Outside of him being a friend, he was quoted as saying "why are we doing the cops job?" - i guess when it comes to the bosses being spooked all bets are off. What's weird is that in D'Arco's book it says the cops had pulled Amuso over twice and were harassing him about Farace. It wouldn't have taken much to realize Farace wasnt with the Luccheses. There were other guys who could have gotten a drop on Farace too (like the Bonnanos he knew, or even the Scarpas who he was supposedly related to). It's weird the Luccheses stepped up and got involved with that.

i figure the cops were putting pressure on all the high level guys to get the word out that they were serious, and petrucelli was the one actually hiding farace so taking care of it kinda goes to the luccheses by default.

by **Pmac2** » Wed May 12, 2021 7:33 pm

crazy part i think allie boy genuinly liked wild bill from what i read. that was his choice to make him underboss. i was reading he would meet with him often. something happend to wild bill in miami, some type of slight from another member towards wild bill and allie put a hit out on the guy. if he never gets indicted for that gun case on the boat in florida i dont think he would have killed wild bill. i wonder if bill really had any plans to try to take over the family. only mikey scars says he had ambition or some shit. like pogo said he was gonna get indicted anyway

by **newera_212** » Wed May 12, 2021 7:06 pm

TwoPiece wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:57 pm
desertdog wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:38 am Thanks...Good info...I'm still amazed at the degree of treachery and backstabbing in the life. I wonder if anyone ever had the balls to refuse to do a hit on a friend.
lucchese member johnny petrucelli refused to kill gus farace when amuso and casso told him to.. he ended up getting whacked over the refusal obviously.

He kind of had a point. Outside of him being a friend, he was quoted as saying "why are we doing the cops job?" - i guess when it comes to the bosses being spooked all bets are off. What's weird is that in D'Arco's book it says the cops had pulled Amuso over twice and were harassing him about Farace. It wouldn't have taken much to realize Farace wasnt with the Luccheses. There were other guys who could have gotten a drop on Farace too (like the Bonnanos he knew, or even the Scarpas who he was supposedly related to). It's weird the Luccheses stepped up and got involved with that.

by **TwoPiece** » Mon May 10, 2021 12:57 pm

desertdog wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:38 am Thanks...Good info...I'm still amazed at the degree of treachery and backstabbing in the life. I wonder if anyone ever had the balls to refuse to do a hit on a friend.

lucchese member johnny petrucelli refused to kill gus farace when amuso and casso told him to.. he ended up getting whacked over the refusal obviously.

by **Nurzhamba** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:50 am

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:26 am
Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:18 am Well, he was a powerful bandit and his team in the early ' 90s was responsible for many attacks and shootouts with a rival faction. Allie Persico was afraid that he might stage a coup, seize power, and become the boss. But his murder, one of the saddest moments in the Colombo family, I think...
I think his crew alone was larger than the entire persico faction. GohnJotti has amazing info about this

It would be very cool if they made a film about the third war in the Colombo family)))at least a documentary

by **Shellackhead** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:26 am

Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 11:18 am Well, he was a powerful bandit and his team in the early ' 90s was responsible for many attacks and shootouts with a rival faction. Allie Persico was afraid that he might stage a coup, seize power, and become the boss. But his murder, one of the saddest moments in the Colombo family, I think...

I think his crew alone was larger than the entire persico faction. GohnJotti has amazing info about this

by **Nurzhamba** » Mon May 10, 2021 11:18 am

Well, he was a powerful bandit and his team in the early ' 90s was responsible for many attacks and shootouts with a rival faction. Allie Persico was afraid that he might stage a coup, seize power, and become the boss. But his murder, one of the saddest moments in the Colombo family, I think...

by **Hired_Goonz** » Sun May 09, 2021 7:42 pm

I wonder if Carmine the Snake advised his son to have Bill killed. If so he must have felt like quite the asshole as his kid ended up with a life sentence.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sun May 09, 2021 4:55 pm

If I remember right he was about to be indicted himself when he was killed. So in the long term probsbly nothing would have changed.

Pogo

by **Shellackhead** » Sun May 09, 2021 4:42 pm

I feel like Wild Bill as Boss, the Colombo’s would of been in a better state.

by **johnny_scootch** » Sun May 09, 2021 4:37 pm

desertdog wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 7:24 am Why was Wild Bill wacked and by who? The guy was a rising star.
Did his son quit the life?

I'm not sure an Underboss qualifies as a 'rising star' but he certainly was a gangsters gangster.

by **desertdog** » Sun May 09, 2021 9:38 am

Thanks...Good info...I'm still amazed at the degree of treachery and backstabbing in the life. I wonder if anyone ever had the balls to refuse to do a hit on a friend.

by **Amershire_Ed** » Sun May 09, 2021 8:23 am

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6464&p=160644&hili ... er#p160644

Good discussion in this thread with extremely detailed retelling by Gohn.

by **TallGuy19** » Sun May 09, 2021 7:58 am

There was bad blood between him and the Persicos after the third war, and Allie Boy was worried about Cutolo trying to take over the family while he was in prison.

His son became an informant after his murder.

by **desertdog** » Sun May 09, 2021 7:24 am

Why was Wild Bill wacked and by who? The guy was a rising star.
Did his son quit the life?

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