by NorthBuffalo » Thu Apr 24, 2025 10:49 am
Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:09 am
NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:35 am
Snakes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:50 am
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 5:21 am
Aunt+Baby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 24, 2025 2:45 am
RushStreet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:06 pm
Petrocelli got his throat slit ear to ear by LaPietra for being a dumb fuck. Sarno is lucky he wasnt with Bill that day.
And…? Guys like Petrocelli getting killed is one of the reasons the Outfit fell off a cliff. He was one of the biggest earners & most feared guys in the family, and his crew was one of the most ruthless. He was boss material, and if he could get killed, then anyone could. It deterred young guys from wanting to get involved in the family. No one liked LaPietra, he was one of the most miserable, disliked bosses in the Outfit
Anyways, what does Petrocelli getting killed have to do with anything that’s being discussed here?
Petrocelli was stealing money, had a standup guy and good earner killed Tony Borsellino out of jealousy and was possibly a snitch. Hardly boss material. That being said, was definitely an earner and was definitely a killer.
Yeah, I wouldn't know if Butch was a good candidate for boss. Part of why he was killed was because he got drunk at a party and told everyone he was gonna be the boss. He would have been another Casso if he became boss.
You think Petrocelli would have been hit if Turk Torello didn't pass? I think the timing that he's hit a year after Turk dies shows you how ruthless that Buccieri crew had become. Petrocelli was Torello's guy - which was heavily focused on in Family Secrets. I think LaPietra taking over after Torello passes and the crew changes hands is what sealed Butchie's death warrant - LaPietra and likely Ferriola had no need for Torello loyalists who thought they were big shots. They put all of their own guys in place in Cicero and Chinatown.
I'm sure Butch holding out on what was supposed to go to Aleman's family in prison didn't really endear him to Ferriola.
Here is another angle - was Petrocelli an informant? Interesting case here - not sure if anyone saw this or not...
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/us-v-prit ... -885118492
After a bench trial before this court in 1983, petitionerWalter Pritchard("Pritchard") was convicted of offenses relating to unlawful possession of firearms, 18 U.S.C. § 1202(a)(1)and26U.S.C. § 5861(d), and possession of illegal wiretapping equipment, 18 U.S.C. § 2512.Pritchard's convictions were affirmed on appeal.United States v. Pritchard,745 F.2d 1112(7th Cir.1984).The firearm convictions were based in part on evidence that a locked suitcase recovered from Pritchard's residence contained weapons which were unlawful for Pritchard to knowingly possess and testimony of a government agent who stated he saw several of the weapons later found in the suitcase in the rear of Pritchard's vehicle days before the arms were seized by officers.At trial, Pritchard defended the firearm offenses on the theory that he was given the suitcase for safekeeping by an undisclosed individual and was not told of the suitcase's contents.
In his § 2255 petition, Pritchard moves this court to vacate his firearm convictions on the ground that the government's failure to disclose the identity of a government informant with whom Pritchard associated deprived Pritchard of tendering the defense of entrapment.According to Pritchard's present contentions, the undisclosed government informant, William Petrocelli, Jr., deceased, was the individual who gave Pritchard the suitcase containing the firearms without disclosing its contents.
Failure to raise constitutional challenges to a conviction on direct appeal bars a petitioner from asserting those issues in a subsequent action, absent a showing of good cause for and prejudice from the failure to appeal.Norris v. United States,687 F.2d 899, 903-04(7th Cir.1982).Here, no dispute exists that Pritchard did not raise the alleged nondisclosure argument at trial or on direct appeal.The issue presented in this case is whether good cause existed for this failure and, if so, whether prejudice resulted.Reviewing Pritchard's petition and supporting affidavit, certain questions arise concerning when Pritchard actually became aware that Petrocelli may have been a government informant.In his petition, Pritchard states that only after his incarceration did he learn that Petrocelli was an informant.[quote=Snakes post_id=292721 time=1745503759 user_id=66]
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Petrocelli got his throat slit ear to ear by LaPietra for being a dumb fuck. Sarno is lucky he wasnt with Bill that day.
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And…? Guys like Petrocelli getting killed is one of the reasons the Outfit fell off a cliff. He was one of the biggest earners & most feared guys in the family, and his crew was one of the most ruthless. He was boss material, and if he could get killed, then anyone could. It deterred young guys from wanting to get involved in the family. No one liked LaPietra, he was one of the most miserable, disliked bosses in the Outfit
Anyways, what does Petrocelli getting killed have to do with anything that’s being discussed here?
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Petrocelli was stealing money, had a standup guy and good earner killed Tony Borsellino out of jealousy and was possibly a snitch. Hardly boss material. That being said, was definitely an earner and was definitely a killer.
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Yeah, I wouldn't know if Butch was a good candidate for boss. Part of why he was killed was because he got drunk at a party and told everyone he was gonna be the boss. He would have been another Casso if he became boss.
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You think Petrocelli would have been hit if Turk Torello didn't pass? I think the timing that he's hit a year after Turk dies shows you how ruthless that Buccieri crew had become. Petrocelli was Torello's guy - which was heavily focused on in Family Secrets. I think LaPietra taking over after Torello passes and the crew changes hands is what sealed Butchie's death warrant - LaPietra and likely Ferriola had no need for Torello loyalists who thought they were big shots. They put all of their own guys in place in Cicero and Chinatown.
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I'm sure Butch holding out on what was supposed to go to Aleman's family in prison didn't really endear him to Ferriola.
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Here is another angle - was Petrocelli an informant? Interesting case here - not sure if anyone saw this or not...
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/us-v-pritchard-no-885118492
[i]After a bench trial before this court in 1983, petitionerWalter Pritchard("Pritchard") was convicted of offenses relating to unlawful possession of firearms, 18 U.S.C. § 1202(a)(1)and26U.S.C. § 5861(d), and possession of illegal wiretapping equipment, 18 U.S.C. § 2512.Pritchard's convictions were affirmed on appeal.United States v. Pritchard,745 F.2d 1112(7th Cir.1984).The firearm convictions were based in part on evidence that a locked suitcase recovered from Pritchard's residence contained weapons which were unlawful for Pritchard to knowingly possess and testimony of a government agent who stated he saw several of the weapons later found in the suitcase in the rear of Pritchard's vehicle days before the arms were seized by officers.At trial, Pritchard defended the firearm offenses on the theory that he was given the suitcase for safekeeping by an undisclosed individual and was not told of the suitcase's contents.
In his § 2255 petition, Pritchard moves this court to vacate his firearm convictions on the ground that the government's failure to disclose the identity of a government informant with whom Pritchard associated deprived Pritchard of tendering the defense of entrapment.According to Pritchard's present contentions, the undisclosed government informant, William Petrocelli, Jr., deceased, was the individual who gave Pritchard the suitcase containing the firearms without disclosing its contents.
Failure to raise constitutional challenges to a conviction on direct appeal bars a petitioner from asserting those issues in a subsequent action, absent a showing of good cause for and prejudice from the failure to appeal.Norris v. United States,687 F.2d 899, 903-04(7th Cir.1982).Here, no dispute exists that Pritchard did not raise the alleged nondisclosure argument at trial or on direct appeal.The issue presented in this case is whether good cause existed for this failure and, if so, whether prejudice resulted.Reviewing Pritchard's petition and supporting affidavit, certain questions arise concerning when Pritchard actually became aware that Petrocelli may have been a government informant.In his petition, Pritchard states that only after his incarceration did he learn that Petrocelli was an informant.[/i]