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Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by newera_212 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm

Amershire_Ed wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:13 pm That’s what I never understood about the story about Matty Madonna saying the Luke’s didn’t recognize Mikey Nose as boss because he was locked up. Their own boss was locked up.
Maybe Madonna and the other Admin guys just straight up didn't like Mancuso and thought he was an asshole, didn't want to recognize him, and just said whatever they could to do so. Or maybe the Lucchese admin was backing Joe C and those other guys?

Both of those scenarios are total speculation , especially the "backing Joe C" one which I admit is completely baseless.

But it'd make sense if Madonna simply didn't like the guy and said "he appointed himself a boss AND he's locked up, why should we recognize him?"

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by Amershire_Ed » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:13 pm

That’s what I never understood about the story about Matty Madonna saying the Luke’s didn’t recognize Mikey Nose as boss because he was locked up. Their own boss was locked up.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by Nick Prango » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:15 am

This guy Gilli Brando speaks very highly of Vic Amuso in this video at 18:43 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Den4P46QTaU He was locked up in Beamont Texas with him.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by newera_212 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:39 am

gaspipe wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:49 pm
  • Scarfo gets a pass by a lot of people on here for just being hardcore LCN. Why isnt gas given the same benefit of the doubt?
Did you mean to say why doesn't Vic get the same benefit? Because with Gas the answer is obvious: he literally ratted. Already takes him out of the same league as Scarfo or anyone else who didn't cooperate

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by gaspipe » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:49 pm

I agree, those 2 were privy to info we will never know about and I believe gasso is taking the brunt of the blame. Which is unfair because:
  • Vic was the Boss, at the end of the day it's on him.
  • They had to have reliable info that led them to believe they had a serious rat problem.
  • Vic is still boss. If he went crazy, like they say Casso did, and didnt have proof for a serious majority of people on the kill list you would think he would be replaced if not killed while in prison by the family for destroying the family. The way hes treated now makes it seem like the family is more tha fine with what went down.
  • Scarfo gets a pass by a lot of people on here for just being hardcore LCN. Why isnt gas given the same benefit of the doubt?

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by newera_212 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:52 pm

gaspipe wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:27 pm So are you saying gas was freestyling or that they were together thru it all?
Really there's no way any one can say for certain, but if I had to take an educated guess, I'd say that up until the Windows Indictment they were together through it all.

Read D'Arco's book (which again, he speaks on Vic's subdued character a few times with what I think is a little bit of a bias; maybe Vic was just a low key, quiet guy, who knows...) and note that during the time period when the functioning administration of the family was Vic and Gas, I don't think there was one time up until the Windows case that D'Arco just met with Casso by himself. Every time, for every meeting, idea, order, murder contract, etc. - it was either Vic and Gas together, or sometimes just Vic by himself. That says a lot. Maybe the only input Vic accepted was from Gas, but at the end of the day he was the boss, doing boss things, and involved in everything going on. It wasn't the mastermind puppeteer Casso pulling his strings.

Maybe when the indictment dropped and they went on the run, they both had diverging agendas. Casso was coming into the city alone to meet with people. Calling hits (like the one on his architect) alone. Hell, even rumored or alleged to have gotten Vic busted. There's no way any of us would ever know for certain, but when they were both functioning as the Admin for those few years before the indictment, I highly doubt Casso was doing anything behind Vic's back.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by gaspipe » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:27 pm

So are you saying gas was freestyling or that they were together thru it all?

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by newera_212 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:21 pm

Manf wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:37 am Amuso is another guy where there was some narrative built around him that didn't wind up being true.
Exactly. Knowing of the Vic and Gas saga i always thought Vic was some patsy that was held out front, manipulated by Casso, all of that. Coupled with a few lines in D'Arco's book to where he said he knew Vic his whole life and when Vic was made boss, he was "unsure of himself" and not confident. But I'm not buying that at all. It's obvious that the guy has serious juice and respect. We've seen that up until just a couple years ago he was actively getting money and involved in decision making. The guys on the street have to have some sort of level of respect for him, because if not, they could stop all communication with him and put the squeeze on (or kill, but we know they're not really doing that) the Amuso loyalists that are out there on the street - which can't be really a TON, just because of how small the family is to begin with. I remember on these boards maybe 10 years ago it ranged from Amuso was shelved to Amuso being a non factor, with his (shelved) loyalists lucky to be alive while the guys from the Bronx were in charge of everything. Seems like the guys from the Bronx had a more respect for the rules and history, and Amuso himself, than everyone thought

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by johnny_scootch » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:58 am

Pmac2 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:52 am was he running stuff from his jail in new jersey
Crea was still on the street running the family until Amuso made him hand over power to Mike DeSantis.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by Shellackhead » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:57 am

furiofromnaples wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:40 am
Shellackhead wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:41 am He’s the perfect lightning rod, already doing life, was mentored by legendary Lucchese mobsters Corallo, Tick, etc. nobody better around to help run the ship & have good judgement calls over who to put in x Positions. Look at Stevie Crea & his son, both were powerful members in the family since the late 90s & were within earshot of Amuso.
Apart for appointing Casso as underboss.
That family would of been in much better shape if Casso wasn’t near a position of influence at all.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by Pmac2 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:52 am

wonder who else was on vics hit list if madonna wouldnt step down. madonna must have had a few heavy guys who surported him but its weird he was in jail in new jersey for atleast 1 or 2 years and was still acting boss. was he running stuff from his jail in new jersey

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by AnIrishGuy » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:45 am

Any good business will have senior people at the top, probably getting limited detail on what's happening on the ground, but with the experience and good judgement skills to make overarching strategic decisions. Makes perfect sense (before you even take the lightning rod theory into account).

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by furiofromnaples » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:40 am

Shellackhead wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:41 am He’s the perfect lightning rod, already doing life, was mentored by legendary Lucchese mobsters Corallo, Tick, etc. nobody better around to help run the ship & have good judgement calls over who to put in x Positions. Look at Stevie Crea & his son, both were powerful members in the family since the late 90s & were within earshot of Amuso.
Apart for appointing Casso as underboss.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by Shellackhead » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:41 am

He’s the perfect lightning rod, already doing life, was mentored by legendary Lucchese mobsters Corallo, Tick, etc. nobody better around to help run the ship & have good judgement calls over who to put in x Positions. Look at Stevie Crea & his son, both were powerful members in the family since the late 90s & were within earshot of Amuso.

Re: How is Vic Amuso still boss 30 years later ?

by TommyGambino » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:36 am

Because he's got killers loyal to him.

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