THE BLACK HAND FORUM

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:33 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:53 am there is no misconstruing Pennisi himself when he said 'I brought a kid that was around me, Joe Cafes nephew'. Mob guys use that word with a purpose and in that context it means only one thing, Tuccio was with Pennisi.

Also how do we know that Tuccio was on record with the Bonanno's, Philly or the Gambino's?

With Philly we have all the pictures and seen Tuccio around their Boss so that makes sense even tho we don't know it as a fact but what evidence is there for Tuccio actually being on record with the Bonanno's or Gambino's?

Fair call, I'd say youre correct. It just seems strange this guy has bounced around with so many families. Who knows if he was ever on record with anyone except the Lukes.

Edit: Athough, I am truly skeptical. If the kid was on record with Pennisi, that house visit conversation wouldve gone way differently. Pennisi wouldve said the kid's with him and that wouldve either been the end of it or a sit down wouldve been had. Pennisi specifically said (after Ronnie called him a punk) that he's 'our punk', he at no time indicated Truccio was on record with him personally.
So, who knows.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:41 pm the kid Tuccio was not on record with anybody.

Apparently he was with John Pennisi according to Pennisi himself.


You have Joe Cafe saying this to Pennisi in the latest sit-down article: “You know and I know what he should have did but he doesn’t listen. I been up half the night over this and I was thinking. I need a big favor from you. Sideburns will bring the kid to you, meet him and keep him around you.”

Then you have this from the Pennisi testimony: "I took a kid that was around me, Joe Cafe's nephew....."


When a made guy speak about people being around or with them it means they are on record. Obviously Pennisi took this kid under his wing as a favor to Joe Cafe.

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:03 am 10 yrs in the feds he'll probaly come out with alot of new friends and be associated with the colombos

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:53 am there is no misconstruing Pennisi himself when he said 'I brought a kid that was around me, Joe Cafes nephew'. Mob guys use that word with a purpose and in that context it means only one thing, Tuccio was with Pennisi.

Also how do we know that Tuccio was on record with the Bonanno's, Philly or the Gambino's?

With Philly we have all the pictures and seen Tuccio around their Boss so that makes sense even tho we don't know it as a fact but what evidence is there for Tuccio actually being on record with the Bonanno's or Gambino's?

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:26 pm I understand how you would reach this conclusion but Im not sure.
Cafe could have been saying, keep this guy around you in the literal sense as there was imminent danger to Tuccios health. I dont accept that he was on record with Cafe basis this particular conversation.
Tuccio also went from the Bonnanos to the Lukes to Philly to the Gambinos within a few short years. This is not normal behaviour for an on record associate.

PHL_Mob wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:20 am Sounds like Merlino got Tuccio by way of Joey Perna who was doing a favor for Joe Cafe. Perna probably inherited Tuccio from Pennisi after Pennisi flipped...

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:33 pm I was wondering the same thing too, but thought of it this way. Even if it's against protocol and the hard line rules, who is Palmaccio going to complain to? If his whole entire entree is through Ronnie G and the only time he's ever seen anybody above the level of Capo was when he was made (which may be a long shot too; we've heard of ceremonies that Capos have presided over) - Ronnie G has the power to tell him to fuck off and make sure no one else in the crew pays him any mind as well. Theoretically i suppose that's what a Consigliere is for...Palmaccio could have gone to him and tried to get it straightened out. But at the same time this was happening didn't the Bonnanos run through a couple different Consiglieres and even actually shelf one? Someone like Palmaccio who was there just making money for Ronnie and made so that other families couldnt tap his pockets may not have even known to bring the theoretical issue to the Consigliere, or even known who the Consigliere was

Seems like a stupid threat if the guy is making a bunch of money for you.

It's of bounds from the chain of command that we've always read about, but seems like something that realistically could happen in this day and age.

This shelving shit seems pretty new as well. Pennisi talks about guys getting shelved left and right, Lovaglio too

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:38 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:41 pm the kid Tuccio was not on record with anybody.

Apparently he was with John Pennisi according to Pennisi himself.


You have Joe Cafe saying this to Pennisi in the latest sit-down article: “You know and I know what he should have did but he doesn’t listen. I been up half the night over this and I was thinking. I need a big favor from you. Sideburns will bring the kid to you, meet him and keep him around you.”

Then you have this from the Pennisi testimony: "I took a kid that was around me, Joe Cafe's nephew....."


When a made guy speak about people being around or with them it means they are on record. Obviously Pennisi took this kid under his wing as a favor to Joe Cafe.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:19 am Only a boss can put a guy on the shelf officially unless he authorized lower ranking members like a street boss or acting boss to do so. It's likely Giallanzo meant he would put Palmaccio on the shelf by talking to whoever was in charge at the time.

PHL_Mob wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:20 am Sounds like Merlino got Tuccio by way of Joey Perna who was doing a favor for Joe Cafe. Perna probably inherited Tuccio from Pennisi after Pennisi flipped...