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Gabagool718 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:12 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:05 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:36 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

I have read on gangsterbb that Ronnie one Arm Trucchio had just about anything he wanted while he was awaiting sentencing in Rikers in 2003 including protection and all the unwanted attention from every inmate on the block/house, Including the CO'S. Like the biggest celebrity on planet earth was there . They all went way out of there way to make sure he was as comfortable,accomodated,protected as humanly possible. He would sit in the day room every once n a while and tell stories, no one made noise , It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. This guy on gangster bb says that mob guys who are being held at rikers usually live like kings, The more known ones ! Especially if they are in the News .CO's supply and snuggle them everything under the sun and give them tons of privileges and access to whatever.

I wonder how true that is. No doubt that him and most made guys carry themselves in a way that says they're letting anyone get over on them, ever. That's second nature to them. But Ronnie One Arm...literally with one functioning arm... running a Rikers facility like that? I have to doubt that and take those stories with a grain of salt. Not saying he wasn't respected or maybe feared by some but I have a hard time believing any white guy is going to be living in there like it was Goodfellas. I could be wrong, but the place is way too chaotic and transitional

This guy was locked up with Anthony "Tony Roach" J. Rampino in Clinton Correctional Facility/New York in the 90s. On December 16, 1985, Rampino allegedly participated in the assassinations of Gambino boss Paul Castellano and underboss Thomas Bilotti outside Sparks Steak House. Tony Roach beat up a young guy half to death with a rock over a drug debt in the Clinton prison yard. Tony Roach was in his 60s at the time. In this video this guy speaks about that at 26:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3wPTB18E8I&t=556s

Roach beat up Larry Davis also Tony was a dope fiend but definitely no joke dude was a beast

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:05 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:36 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

I have read on gangsterbb that Ronnie one Arm Trucchio had just about anything he wanted while he was awaiting sentencing in Rikers in 2003 including protection and all the unwanted attention from every inmate on the block/house, Including the CO'S. Like the biggest celebrity on planet earth was there . They all went way out of there way to make sure he was as comfortable,accomodated,protected as humanly possible. He would sit in the day room every once n a while and tell stories, no one made noise , It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. This guy on gangster bb says that mob guys who are being held at rikers usually live like kings, The more known ones ! Especially if they are in the News .CO's supply and snuggle them everything under the sun and give them tons of privileges and access to whatever.

I wonder how true that is. No doubt that him and most made guys carry themselves in a way that says they're letting anyone get over on them, ever. That's second nature to them. But Ronnie One Arm...literally with one functioning arm... running a Rikers facility like that? I have to doubt that and take those stories with a grain of salt. Not saying he wasn't respected or maybe feared by some but I have a hard time believing any white guy is going to be living in there like it was Goodfellas. I could be wrong, but the place is way too chaotic and transitional

This guy was locked up with Anthony "Tony Roach" J. Rampino in Clinton Correctional Facility/New York in the 90s. On December 16, 1985, Rampino allegedly participated in the assassinations of Gambino boss Paul Castellano and underboss Thomas Bilotti outside Sparks Steak House. Tony Roach beat up a young guy half to death with a rock over a drug debt in the Clinton prison yard. Tony Roach was in his 60s at the time. In this video this guy speaks about that at 26:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3wPTB18E8I&t=556s

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:36 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

I have read on gangsterbb that Ronnie one Arm Trucchio had just about anything he wanted while he was awaiting sentencing in Rikers in 2003 including protection and all the unwanted attention from every inmate on the block/house, Including the CO'S. Like the biggest celebrity on planet earth was there . They all went way out of there way to make sure he was as comfortable,accomodated,protected as humanly possible. He would sit in the day room every once n a while and tell stories, no one made noise , It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. This guy on gangster bb says that mob guys who are being held at rikers usually live like kings, The more known ones ! Especially if they are in the News .CO's supply and snuggle them everything under the sun and give them tons of privileges and access to whatever.

I wonder how true that is. No doubt that him and most made guys carry themselves in a way that says they're letting anyone get over on them, ever. That's second nature to them. But Ronnie One Arm...literally with one functioning arm... running a Rikers facility like that? I have to doubt that and take those stories with a grain of salt. Not saying he wasn't respected or maybe feared by some but I have a hard time believing any white guy is going to be living in there like it was Goodfellas. I could be wrong, but the place is way too chaotic and transitional

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:49 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

"Let's see how tough he is with all those n******." - Lefty Ruggiero when he heard that Tony Mirra was arrested and sent to Rikers.


Pogo

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:46 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:27 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:06 am State Prisons here in Jersey are run by the Bloods but the mob guys are respected across the boards.

Most of the mob guys end up in Federal Prisons though and that’s where these guys want to be.

There’s also a significant number of Italian-American Non LCN prisoners here in NJ state prisons on State Charges, so it’s not just the Blacks. The population of Jersey is diverse, our state prisons are as well.

Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Middle Eastern, Jews, Italians, Whites, etc all are represented but the largest group represented is obviously the Blacks.

Our state prisons aren’t controlled by the Aryan Nation , Black Muslims, Bikers, Mexican Gangs, etc like they are in other parts of America.

I found this https://www.reddit.com/r/PrisonTalk/com ... y_italian/ on reddit. Is this at least partially true? Your thpughts

"A friend of mine a non-LCN Italian American spent 11 years in federal prison from 2006 until 2017. One year in MDC Brooklyn, 3 years in Big Sandy, 3 years in Hazelton, 4 years in Fort Dix nj. My friend says that in some federal prisons Italian American mobsters are still respected and feared and other inmates prefer to be friend of mobsters. He says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key, didn't look for trouble and were pretty much left alone but at Hazelton there was a larger LCN population with several lifers, and they were much more involved in prison politics. He says that in Hazelton mobsters protected him because he is Italian. He says that in Hazelton mobsters are the ones that offer protection to other people not the other way around. He says Fort Dix had all kinds of Italian American mobsters, wise guys, wanna-be's, and east coast type dudes. There are the New York guys, the New Jersey ones, and the Philly ones and they are running Fort Dix. My friend says there is no way someone’s going to rape a guy who they know is Made who they will get killed for? Sure it’s possible but status holds a lot of weight in prison. My friend says No Blood, Crip, Hispanic,Aryan gang member would even touch someone in La Cosa Nostra.

He says that it's always the weakest guys that get the worst treatment in prison and that If you're a well respected criminal on the outside, then chances are you'll be respected in prison. Mobsters are street guys, so other inmates aren't going to mess around with them . And definitely not if the mobster is a member of a powerful family. My friend says that the targets in prison are the most vulnerable people, the mobsters especially the New York ones still have much power outside prison. Also my friend says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key but no one really messed with them and and that most inmates looked up to them like a kid looks up to a ball player and thinks "that's what I want to be" and that they were considered original gangsters by black inmates.

Also he says that blacks are extorting and bullying weak vulnerable unprotected white guys. My friend says that from what he saw in the places he was locked up in black prisoners are all about that rape shit or the consensual sex shit in between the black population and that most prison rapes in the places he was locked up in were committed by black men on white men. He says that in Hazelton all the DC Blacks gang members have their sissies/prison wives that they kick it with. I am not saying that it's like that all over United States I'm strictly speaking from what my friend saw in the places he was locked up in. Things could be different in other prisons. .

But there's not one example of LCN mob guys being raped in prison; especially when you consider how many have done time. My friend says that most regular inmates typically show respect to Italian American mobster (in his words) if not straight-up swing off the guy's balls. No one messed with the LCN guys as far as he saw. But my friend says that most white inmates tend to have an aloof attitude towards other white inmates. He says that Spanish, Asian, Native American and black inmates will help each other no matter what. Also my friend says that in Big Sandy he was ashamed to be white that there most of the white inmates were just (in his words) universally cunts. He says that Aryan Brotherhood weren't a big presence in Big Sandy, but they were bad enough to (again in his words) make you kind of wish your mother had been raped by black man."

Thanks for posting, that's an interesting anecdote. I've heard the same thing - that the whole "rape" thing is overblown and that rape and consensual gay shit is mostly limited to the blacks. The DC Blacks are supposedly notorious for keeping boyfriends and using rape as a form of punishment and discipline. In some Fed prisons, I'm guessing the ones where there are official ABs on the line - and in all of Cali state (general population) prison - homosexual activity and rape is punishable by death among the whites. It's alleged that it's another reason why the AB and DC Blacks war kicked off in the feds 30 years ago; outside of the obvious racial divide, the ABs weren't into the fact that the DC's were opening fucking one another and using rape as a means of discipline

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:36 am

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

I have read on gangsterbb that Ronnie one Arm Trucchio had just about anything he wanted while he was awaiting sentencing in Rikers in 2003 including protection and all the unwanted attention from every inmate on the block/house, Including the CO'S. Like the biggest celebrity on planet earth was there . They all went way out of there way to make sure he was as comfortable,accomodated,protected as humanly possible. He would sit in the day room every once n a while and tell stories, no one made noise , It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. This guy on gangster bb says that mob guys who are being held at rikers usually live like kings, The more known ones ! Especially if they are in the News .CO's supply and snuggle them everything under the sun and give them tons of privileges and access to whatever.

I wonder how true that is. No doubt that him and most made guys carry themselves in a way that says they're letting anyone get over on them, ever. That's second nature to them. But Ronnie One Arm...literally with one functioning arm... running a Rikers facility like that? I have to doubt that and take those stories with a grain of salt. Not saying he wasn't respected or maybe feared by some but I have a hard time believing any white guy is going to be living in there like it was Goodfellas. I could be wrong, but the place is way too chaotic and transitional

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:27 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:06 am State Prisons here in Jersey are run by the Bloods but the mob guys are respected across the boards.

Most of the mob guys end up in Federal Prisons though and that’s where these guys want to be.

There’s also a significant number of Italian-American Non LCN prisoners here in NJ state prisons on State Charges, so it’s not just the Blacks. The population of Jersey is diverse, our state prisons are as well.

Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Middle Eastern, Jews, Italians, Whites, etc all are represented but the largest group represented is obviously the Blacks.

Our state prisons aren’t controlled by the Aryan Nation , Black Muslims, Bikers, Mexican Gangs, etc like they are in other parts of America.

I found this https://www.reddit.com/r/PrisonTalk/com ... y_italian/ on reddit. Is this at least partially true? Your thpughts

"A friend of mine a non-LCN Italian American spent 11 years in federal prison from 2006 until 2017. One year in MDC Brooklyn, 3 years in Big Sandy, 3 years in Hazelton, 4 years in Fort Dix nj. My friend says that in some federal prisons Italian American mobsters are still respected and feared and other inmates prefer to be friend of mobsters. He says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key, didn't look for trouble and were pretty much left alone but at Hazelton there was a larger LCN population with several lifers, and they were much more involved in prison politics. He says that in Hazelton mobsters protected him because he is Italian. He says that in Hazelton mobsters are the ones that offer protection to other people not the other way around. He says Fort Dix had all kinds of Italian American mobsters, wise guys, wanna-be's, and east coast type dudes. There are the New York guys, the New Jersey ones, and the Philly ones and they are running Fort Dix. My friend says there is no way someone’s going to rape a guy who they know is Made who they will get killed for? Sure it’s possible but status holds a lot of weight in prison. My friend says No Blood, Crip, Hispanic,Aryan gang member would even touch someone in La Cosa Nostra.

He says that it's always the weakest guys that get the worst treatment in prison and that If you're a well respected criminal on the outside, then chances are you'll be respected in prison. Mobsters are street guys, so other inmates aren't going to mess around with them . And definitely not if the mobster is a member of a powerful family. My friend says that the targets in prison are the most vulnerable people, the mobsters especially the New York ones still have much power outside prison. Also my friend says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key but no one really messed with them and and that most inmates looked up to them like a kid looks up to a ball player and thinks "that's what I want to be" and that they were considered original gangsters by black inmates.

Also he says that blacks are extorting and bullying weak vulnerable unprotected white guys. My friend says that from what he saw in the places he was locked up in black prisoners are all about that rape shit or the consensual sex shit in between the black population and that most prison rapes in the places he was locked up in were committed by black men on white men. He says that in Hazelton all the DC Blacks gang members have their sissies/prison wives that they kick it with. I am not saying that it's like that all over United States I'm strictly speaking from what my friend saw in the places he was locked up in. Things could be different in other prisons. .

But there's not one example of LCN mob guys being raped in prison; especially when you consider how many have done time. My friend says that most regular inmates typically show respect to Italian American mobster (in his words) if not straight-up swing off the guy's balls. No one messed with the LCN guys as far as he saw. But my friend says that most white inmates tend to have an aloof attitude towards other white inmates. He says that Spanish, Asian, Native American and black inmates will help each other no matter what. Also my friend says that in Big Sandy he was ashamed to be white that there most of the white inmates were just (in his words) universally cunts. He says that Aryan Brotherhood weren't a big presence in Big Sandy, but they were bad enough to (again in his words) make you kind of wish your mother had been raped by black man."

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds

I have read on gangsterbb that Ronnie one Arm Trucchio had just about anything he wanted while he was awaiting sentencing in Rikers in 2003 including protection and all the unwanted attention from every inmate on the block/house, Including the CO'S. Like the biggest celebrity on planet earth was there . They all went way out of there way to make sure he was as comfortable,accomodated,protected as humanly possible. He would sit in the day room every once n a while and tell stories, no one made noise , It was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. This guy on gangster bb says that mob guys who are being held at rikers usually live like kings, The more known ones ! Especially if they are in the News .CO's supply and snuggle them everything under the sun and give them tons of privileges and access to whatever.

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:06 am State Prisons here in Jersey are run by the Bloods but the mob guys are respected across the boards.

Most of the mob guys end up in Federal Prisons though and that’s where these guys want to be.

There’s also a significant number of Italian-American Non LCN prisoners here in NJ state prisons on State Charges, so it’s not just the Blacks. The population of Jersey is diverse, our state prisons are as well.

Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Middle Eastern, Jews, Italians, Whites, etc all are represented but the largest group represented is obviously the Blacks.

Our state prisons aren’t controlled by the Aryan Nation , Black Muslims, Bikers, Mexican Gangs, etc like they are in other parts of America.

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:06 am State Prisons here in Jersey are run by the Bloods but the mob guys are respected across the boards.

Most of the mob guys end up in Federal Prisons though and that’s where these guys want to be.

There’s also a significant number of Italian-American Non LCN prisoners here in NJ state prisons on State Charges, so it’s not just the Blacks. The population of Jersey is diverse, our state prisons are as well.

Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, Middle Eastern, Jews, Italians, Whites, etc all are represented but the largest group represented is obviously the Blacks.

Our state prisons aren’t controlled by the Aryan Nation , Black Muslims, Bikers, Mexican Gangs, etc like they are in other parts of America.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:40 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:00 am

Orzan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:01 am I remember reading somewhere that the "wiseguys" are respected within the prisons by the gangs, but that they do not exercise any type of control.

Maybe not in NJ but even in NY city prisons the wiseguys have some control?

Absolutely not. The city jails don't really have any structure or control. It's a cluster fuck of every type of person under the sun passing through, with a very very small percentage of them being white (nevertheless Italian and being a connected Italian), for everything ranging from premeditated murder to DUI to vandalism. It's complete chaos. The Bloods make up the biggest 'group' but at the same time, in the more 'longer term' jails like The Tombs and Rikers, they keep the gangs housed separately... and on top of that, when a "little" gang member hits the city jail, they are usually from smaller gangs and don't get brought under the Blood banner until they make their way Upstate to the actual prisons.

I have a family member through marriage who is a guard at Rikers, and a good friend who was a guard at Brooklyn House. The stuff that someone like Gene Borrello says about having to fight every single day in Rikers isn't an understatement. It's filled with wild ass kids who are trying to make a name for themselves before they get shipped off to a real prison, combined with people who really do not have any business living in free, functional society. There are bloods and crips, but in NYC there are also Gangster Disciples (which branched out from literally one apartment building in Brooklyn in the late 90s), and homegrown Brooklyn gangs that have gotten very big and popular. Allegiances change with the wind and they are constantly fighting one another. If they're not fighting one another they are shaking down everything that walks and trying to attack the guards. Slashings for no reason, 8-on-1 fights, setting shit on fire, flooding the cells constantly, etc. It's not an easy place for anyone, LCN connected or not.

i'd guess that if you were to ask any made guy if they'd rather do a full 12 months in a Fed facility or 6 months on Rikers I'd bet a million bucks they'd all take the Feds