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Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:33 pm

Because I have a crystal ball. :!:


Pogo

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Extortion » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:26 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:36 am At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo
I mean I believe it but how do you know? I mean what makes you so sure...I Mean there is more guys than murders for one i suppose. I think the consensus in modern times is that you be “capable” to kill if called

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Shellackhead » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:24 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:35 am
Shellackhead wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:15 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo
I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.
My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.
Yeah exactly my point, most kills that connected guys committed before getting their button was usually a hanger on, or someone who went bad/disrespected a made guy, etc. of course ordered by the boss of that family through the made guy/Captain that the associate was being represented by

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Shellackhead » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:19 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:35 am
Shellackhead wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:15 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo
I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.
My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.
You read my mind, I was gonna use that Gravano example.

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Wiseguy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:36 am At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo
"If a guy is a good earner, the family doesn't care if he's never seen a gun." - George Freselone

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:36 am

At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Wiseguy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:35 am

Shellackhead wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:15 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo
I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.
My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Shellackhead » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:15 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo
I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by JesusMalverde » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 am

Pmac2 wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:50 pm Fish cafaro sponcer barney. He never put him in a murder or himself for thatmatter
Fish never killed anyone either because fat tony protected him

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Pmac2 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:50 pm

Fish cafaro sponcer barney. He never put him in a murder or himself for thatmatter

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by SonnyBlackstein » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:46 pm

Shellackhead wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:24 pm
Extortion wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:23 pm Has there ever been a boss of a family that has never pulled the trigger on a hit? Im sure theres one or two modern ones
Frank Cali probably
Good question.

Do we know if Cali was ever suspected in any work?

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Stroccos » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:37 pm

was massino at the hit ?

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Shellackhead » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:24 pm

Extortion wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:23 pm Has there ever been a boss of a family that has never pulled the trigger on a hit? Im sure theres one or two modern ones
Frank Cali probably

Re: Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

by Extortion » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:23 pm

Has there ever been a boss of a family that has never pulled the trigger on a hit? Im sure theres one or two modern ones

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