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Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:28 pm

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am I just want to put this out there about Bonding in Chicago from the Akron/Cleveland Angle.

Whiskey Dick Percoco started off on North Hill in Akron, Ohio and loaned money (During Prohibition/Depression era) to guys to get bonded out and later started PC Bonding Agency. He also Started Summit Fidelity in Chicago. That Bonding Company put up a Bond for Jimmy Hoffa. So Akron Ohio / Cleveland Guys were already in Chicago Bonding Business.

My Wife and Whiskey Dick's niece Roomed together after High School in Downtown Akron. They were friends in High School and got into mischief together.

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good point

interesting that Whiskey dick was dealing with the dorfmans

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am I just want to put this out there about Bonding in Chicago from the Akron/Cleveland Angle.

Whiskey Dick Percoco started off on North Hill in Akron, Ohio and loaned money (During Prohibition/Depression era) to guys to get bonded out and later started PC Bonding Agency. He also Started Summit Fidelity in Chicago. That Bonding Company put up a Bond for Jimmy Hoffa. So Akron Ohio / Cleveland Guys were already in Chicago Bonding Business.

My Wife and Whiskey Dick's niece Roomed together after High School in Downtown Akron. They were friends in High School and got into mischief together.

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Villain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:38 pm

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:02 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:55 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am
I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

yeah I have heard of that angelo lonardo was also into the company

Thanks. I tried to find any further info on what went down with the bonding business since according to Alex, it was some type of "race" between Chicago and Cleveland...do you know if Cleveled took control of the scheme?

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:06 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:54 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:11 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

IrishDave wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:15 am I think Lonardo was the logical choice. Rockman said that Licavoli was chosen to be new boss but Rockman was closer to Licavoli then he was to Lonardo. The question was weather Rockman could control Licavoli easier then Lonardo.

Lonardo and Rockman were brother in laws, they were both married to a Scalish sister. They definitely had friction and when Lonardo met with Chicago he asked Rockman to take walk when the sit down started. Both were very close to Scalish.

Rockman also knew he could control Jack White...never would have happened under Lonardo...in Leonardo’s eyes, Maishe was a Jew.

Thanks for the details. I find quite interesting the situation in which both Rockman and Lonardo were married into the same family...it seems old man Scalish was all about cash and connections....in some east coast crime families, if there was a friction, usually the non-Ital got the "best" of it, way worst than the situation in which Rockman had to leave the meeting. This also might suggest (like you already said) that Rockman left that meeting only because of the alleged friction between him and Lonardo, not because Rockman was simply a non-Ital or any guys from the opposition had a problem with it. It seems Lonardo looked at him as a simple Jew because of the problem. This also very much corresponds with the moment that later the Chi boys apologized to Rockman.

The truth can usually be found in the details. Cheers

it was the chicago guy who asked him to leave

rockman he converted to catholic, I think lonardo was ok with Rockman until big ange went to jail

My bad, he was asked to leave because he was Jewish and not made. From my understanding, Lonardo had a lukewarm relationship with Rockman even though they were brother in laws. Maishe and Scalish grew up together. If I am not mistaken, wasn't Scalish married to Rockman's sister as well?

Sam22 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:54 am Pretty sure Giancana ended up getting ripped off for a large amount of money by Lou Brady. Then he had him killed.

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:54 am https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:54 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:11 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

IrishDave wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:15 am I think Lonardo was the logical choice. Rockman said that Licavoli was chosen to be new boss but Rockman was closer to Licavoli then he was to Lonardo. The question was weather Rockman could control Licavoli easier then Lonardo.

Lonardo and Rockman were brother in laws, they were both married to a Scalish sister. They definitely had friction and when Lonardo met with Chicago he asked Rockman to take walk when the sit down started. Both were very close to Scalish.

Rockman also knew he could control Jack White...never would have happened under Lonardo...in Leonardo’s eyes, Maishe was a Jew.

Thanks for the details. I find quite interesting the situation in which both Rockman and Lonardo were married into the same family...it seems old man Scalish was all about cash and connections....in some east coast crime families, if there was a friction, usually the non-Ital got the "best" of it, way worst than the situation in which Rockman had to leave the meeting. This also might suggest (like you already said) that Rockman left that meeting only because of the alleged friction between him and Lonardo, not because Rockman was simply a non-Ital or any guys from the opposition had a problem with it. It seems Lonardo looked at him as a simple Jew because of the problem. This also very much corresponds with the moment that later the Chi boys apologized to Rockman.

The truth can usually be found in the details. Cheers

it was the chicago guy who asked him to leave

rockman he converted to catholic, I think lonardo was ok with Rockman until big ange went to jail

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:02 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:55 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am
I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

yeah I have heard of that angelo lonardo was also into the company

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:55 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am
I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am
I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Villain wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:03 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:54 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:11 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

IrishDave wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:15 am I think Lonardo was the logical choice. Rockman said that Licavoli was chosen to be new boss but Rockman was closer to Licavoli then he was to Lonardo. The question was weather Rockman could control Licavoli easier then Lonardo.

Lonardo and Rockman were brother in laws, they were both married to a Scalish sister. They definitely had friction and when Lonardo met with Chicago he asked Rockman to take walk when the sit down started. Both were very close to Scalish.

Rockman also knew he could control Jack White...never would have happened under Lonardo...in Leonardo’s eyes, Maishe was a Jew.

Thanks for the details. I find quite interesting the situation in which both Rockman and Lonardo were married into the same family...it seems old man Scalish was all about cash and connections....in some east coast crime families, if there was a friction, usually the non-Ital got the "best" of it, way worst than the situation in which Rockman had to leave the meeting. This also might suggest (like you already said) that Rockman left that meeting only because of the alleged friction between him and Lonardo, not because Rockman was simply a non-Ital or any guys from the opposition had a problem with it. It seems Lonardo looked at him as a simple Jew because of the problem. This also very much corresponds with the moment that later the Chi boys apologized to Rockman.

The truth can usually be found in the details. Cheers

it was the chicago guy who asked him to leave

rockman he converted to catholic, I think lonardo was ok with Rockman until big ange went to jail

Oh so its not like JCB said but instead it was the other way around. Thanks for the correction. I wonder why the Chi fellas told him to leave? Btw wasnt Dalitz one of Clevelands guys in Vegas? I remember he having sit downs with many high level Outfit members during the 50s and 60s...Roselli tried to extort him once and almost got killed by Ricca because of it