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Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by Extortion » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:40 pm

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:11 pm Anthony Scotto busted from capo to soldier by Gotti, Sr.
Hes a “scary” looking guy in person. Very tall and wears a dark overcoat and fedora and doesnt seem to like smiling.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by Extortion » Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:36 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:30 am Ray Patriarca Jr. did go from Boss to Soldier but I believe he was shelved after he was forced to step down. If my memory serves me right he even started crying when he was forced to step down by the family. :lol:


In regards to your question Sonny Frank Valenti was the Boss of the Rochester family but was forced to step down after the family found out he was not sharing certain profits with the guy's. After his demotion he remained active as a Soldier. His brother Costenze “Stanley” Valenti was also an early Boss of the family and after he stepped down he became a Capo.


Pogo
Where did you hear that Ray Jr. cried and was like an open cry or just tearing up? And in front of whom?

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by NYNighthawk » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:11 pm

Anthony Scotto busted from capo to soldier by Gotti, Sr.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by Joeyboy1982 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:00 am

Didn't Jerry Anguillo get shelved while imprisoned?

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by thekiduknow » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:18 am

Anyone know if Paul Sciacca was still active after Evola took over? From what I understand he was backed by the Commission, so I don't think he was just acting, but given his health and legal issues he must have stepped down in the early 70s, but on some charts I've seen on here he was still reporting to Nicholas DiStefano in the late 1970s.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by mpl0215 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:57 am

good read

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by Angelo Santino » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:52 pm

There was a Frank "Toto" Minore around in the 1910's NYC, he was the nephew of Palermo/Saracino.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by B. » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:22 pm

jimmyb wrote:Yeah, he was Elizabeth Minore's nephew I believe. Toto Minore is interesting guy. By the late 70s, things picked up for him a bit when he linked up with CH Gambinos and heroin pipeline. He went back to Sicily, only to be whacked out by the Corleonesi in 1982. White death. For years law enforcement thought he was still the shot-caller in Trapani, not realizing he was killed. His brother took over the organization. His niece married Felice Buccellato. The Bucellatos intermarried with Minore in Trapani and Rimi in Alcamo to counterbalance the Magaddino/Bonventre/Playa faction.
Thanks for that info. It all comes back to you Buccellatos over there. I always thought it was interesting that Maranzano didn't have that many relations to other Castellammare-born mobsters (at least in the US).

Phatmatress -- Ligambi wouldn't really count since he was only acting boss. He was about as close to official boss as you can get without actually being one, though.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by jimmyb » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:20 pm

spelled my own name wrong! Meant to write "Buccellatos intermarried . . ."

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by jimmyb » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:19 pm

Yeah, he was Elizabeth Minore's nephew I believe. Toto Minore is interesting guy. By the late 70s, things picked up for him a bit when he linked up with CH Gambinos and heroin pipeline. He went back to Sicily, only to be whacked out by the Corleonesi in 1982. White death. For years law enforcement thought he was still the shot-caller in Trapani, not realizing he was killed. His brother took over the organization. His niece married Felice Buccellato. The Bucellatos intermarried with Minore in Trapani and Rimi in Alcamo to counterbalance the Magaddino/Bonventre/Playa faction.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by phatmatress » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:40 pm

In more recent years we have uncle joe stepping down to consig position... It didn't sound like he was forced either


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Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by dixiemafia » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:Ray Patriarca Jr. did go from Boss to Soldier but I believe he was shelved after he was forced to step down. If my memory serves me right he even started crying when he was forced to step down by the family. :lol:
No he started crying because they told him it was step down or get popped and he pleaded for his life. He was never ready for the top spot, I seriously doubt he done much of anything before they asked him to take over the family. People say Gotti Jr. was unprepared, well imagine that times two and you have Junior Patriarca (he wasn't a Jr. by the way, he was just called Junior)

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by B. » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:35 pm

Hailbritain wrote:Frank lastorino and anellio migliore
Neither of them were bosses, though. This topic is really just for official bosses.
jimmyb wrote: Gaspare Magaddino was the boss in CDG, but in NY seems he was a common hit-man for Bonanno. Toto Minore was the boss of Trapani, but lived in NJ for a long time. At one point I think he was running a pizza joint. Not sure if he even owned it, I think he just managed it. Calderone said Minore lived on hard times while in the US. Minore was still active though, worked with Jersey Sicilians like Onofrio Abate and Settimo Accardo. Also worked with Joe Buccellato from Brooklyn.
I'm under the impression that Magaddino didn't necessarily become a subordinate of Bonanno, but became involved due to his own feelings/interests and possibly the influence of his brother Peter. Still pretty crazy that a boss would travel overseas and personally carry out hits, especially being an older overweight guy.

Toto Minore was a relative of Salvatore Maranzano's wife, right? Thanks for the info, never really knew about him.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by jimmyb » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:34 pm

I know this gets away from your original question B., but Salvatore Vitale was the sotocapo in Partinico, but active in Detroit organization (and San Diego). Meanwhile, his arch nemesis Frank Coppola was a Detroit solider, who became the de facto boss of Partinico. I don't think he was ever the official capomafia there, but everyone knew he was the primary shot-caller.

Re: Bosses who accepted a lower rank in the family

by jimmyb » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:29 pm

B. wrote:
Antiliar wrote:I noticed that Maranzano was mentioned, but what wasn't mentioned (or I didn't see it) was that Maranzano stepped down as a boss when he came to America. In Sicily he was the provincial boss (closest thing to a "boss of bosses" in Sicily) for the province of Trapani. When he came to American he was a soldier under Schiro. When Morello, Lupo and others came to Sicily to have D'Aquila's death penalty removed, one of the people they met with in Palermo was Maranzano.
Ah yeah, that's right. Is there anyone else who stepped down from a ranking position in Sicily when they joined a US family? Or how about high-ranking Sicilians who continued to have an equal or higher ranking position when they moved to the US? I am sure there were some I just can't think of any.

Nick Gentile is another one who could be on this list. He was a boss at one point, but he bounced around so many different families/places it's not like he ever really became a subordinate in the same family.

Gaspare Magaddino was the boss in CDG, but in NY seems he was a common hit-man for Bonanno. Toto Minore was the boss of Trapani, but lived in NJ for a long time. At one point I think he was running a pizza joint. Not sure if he even owned it, I think he just managed it. Calderone said Minore lived on hard times while in the US. Minore was still active though, worked with Jersey Sicilians like Onofrio Abate and Settimo Accardo. Also worked with Joe Buccellato from Brooklyn.

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