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by **motorfab** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:17 am

Thanks scagghuini & CabriniGreen

by **scagghiuni** » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:13 am

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:09 pm
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am
Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm When did Kalsa become a separate family? If I remember correctly, the Kalsa mafia leader Tommaso Spadaro was the underboss of the Porta Nuova family under Pippo Calo' in the 1980s.
i also thought it was part of porta nuova family, but if the DIA reported it as a family in its own it means there is evidence of it, zen family for example was formed recently and if we look at the province there are mandamenti with several families, most of them small probably, 10/15 members
I understand, but when exactly did Zen and Kalsa become autonomous, is the precise year known?

i think sandro lo piccolo wanted to form a family based in the zen about 15 years ago, i don't know about kalsa, but considering that these two mandamenti are large (320 made members san lorenzo and 250 porta nuova) it is plausible that they have formed new families

by **CabriniGreen** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:37 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:57 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 am The province of Agrigento is made up of 10 mandamenti: Agrigento, Santa Elisabetta, Porto Empedocle, Canicattì, Cianciana, Ribera, Sambuca di Sicilia, Casteltermini, Palma di Montechiaro and Campobello di Licata;
Weren't Siculiana & Cattolica Eraclea part of the Madamento too ? Or these cities are considered too small to be part of the Madamento? And is your list is the list of current Madamentos or does it also include the old ones?

Sorry if the questions may seem silly but I'm like Eline, I have several questions about the mafia structures of Sicily
the DIA reported 7 mandamenti in the province of agrigento, that source is wrong

The DIA has Ribera in the same madamento as Cattolica Eraclea.

This kinda makes sense, because the boss Accursio Dimino from Sciacca, was asking about potentially setting up gambling in Montreal, and was told, " The Riberisi are there already".. or something like that.

It's even more interesting when you consider Leo Rizzuto recently visiting Cattolica Eraclea.

A question, did anyone know the Caruana- Cuntreras once controlled Ostia?

by **CabriniGreen** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:26 pm

motorfab wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 am The province of Agrigento is made up of 10 mandamenti: Agrigento, Santa Elisabetta, Porto Empedocle, Canicattì, Cianciana, Ribera, Sambuca di Sicilia, Casteltermini, Palma di Montechiaro and Campobello di Licata;
Weren't Siculiana & Cattolica Eraclea part of the Madamento too ? Or these cities are considered too small to be part of the Madamento? And is your list is the list of current Madamentos or does it also include the old ones?

Sorry if the questions may seem silly but I'm like Eline, I have several questions about the mafia structures of Sicily

They are on there...

by **Dwalin2014** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:09 pm

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am
Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm When did Kalsa become a separate family? If I remember correctly, the Kalsa mafia leader Tommaso Spadaro was the underboss of the Porta Nuova family under Pippo Calo' in the 1980s.
i also thought it was part of porta nuova family, but if the DIA reported it as a family in its own it means there is evidence of it, zen family for example was formed recently and if we look at the province there are mandamenti with several families, most of them small probably, 10/15 members

I understand, but when exactly did Zen and Kalsa become autonomous, is the precise year known?

by **scagghiuni** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:57 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 am The province of Agrigento is made up of 10 mandamenti: Agrigento, Santa Elisabetta, Porto Empedocle, Canicattì, Cianciana, Ribera, Sambuca di Sicilia, Casteltermini, Palma di Montechiaro and Campobello di Licata;
Weren't Siculiana & Cattolica Eraclea part of the Madamento too ? Or these cities are considered too small to be part of the Madamento? And is your list is the list of current Madamentos or does it also include the old ones?

Sorry if the questions may seem silly but I'm like Eline, I have several questions about the mafia structures of Sicily

the DIA reported 7 mandamenti in the province of agrigento, that source is wrong

by **motorfab** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 am The province of Agrigento is made up of 10 mandamenti: Agrigento, Santa Elisabetta, Porto Empedocle, Canicattì, Cianciana, Ribera, Sambuca di Sicilia, Casteltermini, Palma di Montechiaro and Campobello di Licata;

Weren't Siculiana & Cattolica Eraclea part of the Madamento too ? Or these cities are considered too small to be part of the Madamento? And is your list is the list of current Madamentos or does it also include the old ones?

Sorry if the questions may seem silly but I'm like Eline, I have several questions about the mafia structures of Sicily

by **scagghiuni** » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:47 am

Dwalin2014 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm When did Kalsa become a separate family? If I remember correctly, the Kalsa mafia leader Tommaso Spadaro was the underboss of the Porta Nuova family under Pippo Calo' in the 1980s.

i also thought it was part of porta nuova family, but if the DIA reported it as a family in its own it means there is evidence of it, zen family for example was formed recently and if we look at the province there are mandamenti with several families, most of them small probably, 10/15 members

by **Dwalin2014** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:35 pm

When did Kalsa become a separate family? If I remember correctly, the Kalsa mafia leader Tommaso Spadaro was the underboss of the Porta Nuova family under Pippo Calo' in the 1980s.

by **Angelo Santino** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:12 pm

Amazing how little things have changed over the century.

For example, "Porta Nuova" mandamento was essentially Olivuzza before the 1910 breakup into the groups that constitute that mandamento today. And a significant portion of what made up the early Gambinos came from this exact region of Palermo citta.

by **scagghiuni** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:22 am

it's from the DIA

by **Angelo Santino** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:16 am

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandamento_(cosa_nostra)

Mandamenti'structures

Palermo - The city of Palermo is divided into 8 mandamenti: Porta Nuova, Brancaccio, Boccadifalco, Passo di Rigano, Santa Maria di Gesù, Noce, Pagliarelli, Resuttana and San Lorenzo;

In 1898 Sangiorgi interviewed Siino who laid out out the groups hierarchies- Piana dei Colli, Passo di Rigano, Perpignano, Malaspina, Uditore, Olivuzza, Falde, Acquasanta, which coincidently adds up to 8. He also provided some member names for Resuttana, San Maria di Gesu, among others but not who was boss.

In 1910 these groups would splinter 2, 3, 4 ways. Palermo Centro for example, was once part of what constituted Olivuzza. The mandamenti, from a historical vantage point, was a re-merging of sorts. This probably wasn't a conscious decision on the mafia's part but merely a logical one because those close links with their neighbors never dissipated.

We can't confirm 100% that every Sicilian in America that migrated was a member in Sicily, that would narrow it down to 2-3 names. But going by territory and where members lived we can guestimate that Mangano, D'Aquila, Fanaro were like affiliated with Olivuzza and Lupo worked in their territory. Frank Cali's Family also comes from that area of Palermo in the center.

Up north to Resuttana, an earlier John Fontana (possible relative of the Villabate one of the same name) was associated with the Gambinos while Lupo was boss. In Sangiorgi an Antonino Grillo was listed as a member under the Amorosos 1890's and listed as boss in 1910 by Palermitan sources. In 1911, Grillo would arrive with his brother in law Manfredi Mineo and in the 1920's D'Aquila sent 500,000 (usd or lira unknown) to Grillo to aid in him in the 1920's citrus wars. We can assume that Mineo was perhaps affiliated with the Resuttana family as there wasn't a family (that we're aware of) in Giardini Inglese, I'm not sure if there was one later after the 1910 break up.

by **furiofromnaples** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:55 am

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandamento_(cosa_nostra)

Mandamenti'structures

Palermo - The city of Palermo is divided into 8 mandamenti: Porta Nuova, Brancaccio, Boccadifalco, Passo di Rigano, Santa Maria di Gesù, Noce, Pagliarelli, Resuttana and San Lorenzo;
The province of Palermo is divided into 7 mandamenti: Camporeale (born from the merger of the mandamenti of Partinico and San Giuseppe Jato), Corleone, Cinisi, Bagheria, Trabia, Belmonte Mezzagno, San Mauro Castelverde (or Madonie);

The province of Agrigento is made up of 10 mandamenti: Agrigento, Santa Elisabetta, Porto Empedocle, Canicattì, Cianciana, Ribera, Sambuca di Sicilia, Casteltermini, Palma di Montechiaro and Campobello di Licata;

Trapani - The mandamenti are 4: Castelvetrano, Trapani, Mazara del Vallo and Alcamo;

Caltanissetta - In the province of Caltanissetta there are 4 mandamenti: Gela, Vallelunga, Riesi and Mussomeli. The families of the "Vallone" in the north of the province are traditionally connected to the Palermitan groups.Stidda has maintained a certain organizational capacity in the areas of Gela and Niscemi, placing itself as a mafia association analogous to Cosa Nostra, with which it no longer assumes a conflict of interest and shows a certain understanding;

Enna - The province of Enna has no mandamenti, only families. The east area is adjacent to the province of Catania, and partly influenced by the Catanese mafia. Bloody feuds were born precisely from the struggle between Enna and Catania for control of this area.

Catania - there are no mandamenti because in the province of Catania there are only three families (Catania,Ramacca and Caltagirone), which preferentially manage the illegal award of public contracts, in companies with numerous criminal groups unrelated to the Cosa Nostra operating in Catania and in the province, whose leaders are often affiliated with these families to better control their activities.

Syracuse - There are nomandamenti, but individual families

Ragusa - No mandamenti but single families

Messina - Messina, San Mauro Castelverde · Barcellona Pozzo di Gotto · Tortorici · Mazzarroti · Francavilla di Sicilia, · Alcantara Valley · Giardini Naxos

by **Angelo Santino** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:27 am

bronx wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:40 pmagree Chris

Thank you. If you haven't seen this already, you may find it interesting: confiscated letters between Joe Morello (Gen Boss) and Rosario Dispenza (Chicago Boss) in 1908 where Morello chastises Dispenza for violating protocol. Vito Cascio Ferro is named.

We are left only to speculate on this Grand Council and General Assembly (which we do in the rest of the thread, B. and I put more thought into those letters and Morello probably did when he wrote them.

scagghiuni, you're going to want to look at this too.
viewtopic.php?p=154806#p154806

by **bronx** » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:40 pm

agree Chris

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