by Angelo Santino » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:03 pm
People can be involved in multiple things. He was a fuck up, but he was well placed in that union to explain things, or as his place as official boss from 95-99, we'd need someone to ask the right questions. I imagine if we footed him a C-note he'd answer these questions if we knew how to get ahold of him. I think it was Stanfa whom, according to Anastasia, Natale got word to Gotti if he recognized Stanfa and Gotti's alleged response was "Who knows him?" If he's lying to us he was likely lying to them. There's articles from the city paper that go into Natale's claims and how it raised eyebrows with the younger associates who knew enough about history to know that during that the time Natale was active, his name wasn't known. He wouldn't have been in a position to say who comes to AC or not.
He's liar, they all fucking are. Would anyone here consider criminals to be honest individuals, probably not so why should it apply to organized criminals. He's cashing in, same with Culotta, Franzese... Pistone and Garcia if we're making an unbiased list. "Always the fucking dollars."
Actually no. Gravano, Leonetti, DiLeonardo, they were in such a position where they have no need to lie. Caramandi never seemed to inflate himself either, he's someone I'd love to get ahold of. He was the quintessential South Philly Wiseguy's wiseguy.
Quite honestly, I'd like to see DiLeonardo, wherever he is, release something. If Leonetti was the Outsider faction, Gravano was the Sicilian non-connected member, DiLeonardo has the bloodlines. This guy and Anthony Rotundo are Joe Bonannos as caporegimes. Both men came from a mafia lineage and their perspectives would be different from a Valachi or Fratianno. There was discrimination within the mafia. Non-Mafia aristrocrats (Napolitan, Calabrese, non-lineaged Sicilians) had to earn the position and show they were capable of it. Meanwhile Sicilian Mafia aristocrats (Tommy Gambino, Pete Inzerillo) were made members with the expectation that they would grow into it. They were not "killers" and in the eyes of a non-aristocratic Gravano or Fratianno who had more of a street-take on gangsterism, would be seen as weak or inferior to the "real gangsters." of course I wouldn't walz up to Tommy Gambino or Pete Inzerillo and tell them that. Someone like DiLeonardo may be able to expand on the bloodlines, the process that we rarely see. Lonardo was in a position to but never did.
If I sat down with Natale I wouldn't try to get him in gotchas, I'd just keep asking him questions hoping he'd drop enough crumbs for me to pick up on the actual truth.
So tell me about your tenure as boss.
"When I was boss I commanded everything. Forget about Merlino who's a fucking punk, motherfuck him, you know he robbed everybody--"
You were on parole in New Jersey, how did you get your edicts to the organization?"
"Joey would send Steve Mazzone to tell me what decisions were made. Joey was always a fucking punk, I was the boss, he did things the way I said they should be done."
In this theoretical, Ralph's lying his ass off, but we can sort through and extract elements that might be true. Etc. In Ralph's World, he's the Godfather and Merlino is a crony. IRL, Merlino is the boss today. Rather than go big dick with him, it's more beneficial to just let him talk and keep asking questions. But there were those, including myself, who didn't mind seeing Natale getting called on his shit. And we seen his excuses- deflection. He's a character, all we can say.
People can be involved in multiple things. He was a fuck up, but he was well placed in that union to explain things, or as his place as official boss from 95-99, we'd need someone to ask the right questions. I imagine if we footed him a C-note he'd answer these questions if we knew how to get ahold of him. I think it was Stanfa whom, according to Anastasia, Natale got word to Gotti if he recognized Stanfa and Gotti's alleged response was "Who knows him?" If he's lying to us he was likely lying to them. There's articles from the city paper that go into Natale's claims and how it raised eyebrows with the younger associates who knew enough about history to know that during that the time Natale was active, his name wasn't known. He wouldn't have been in a position to say who comes to AC or not.
He's liar, they all fucking are. Would anyone here consider criminals to be honest individuals, probably not so why should it apply to organized criminals. He's cashing in, same with Culotta, Franzese... Pistone and Garcia if we're making an unbiased list. "Always the fucking dollars."
Actually no. Gravano, Leonetti, DiLeonardo, they were in such a position where they have no need to lie. Caramandi never seemed to inflate himself either, he's someone I'd love to get ahold of. He was the quintessential South Philly Wiseguy's wiseguy.
Quite honestly, I'd like to see DiLeonardo, wherever he is, release something. If Leonetti was the Outsider faction, Gravano was the Sicilian non-connected member, DiLeonardo has the bloodlines. This guy and Anthony Rotundo are Joe Bonannos as caporegimes. Both men came from a mafia lineage and their perspectives would be different from a Valachi or Fratianno. There was discrimination within the mafia. Non-Mafia aristrocrats (Napolitan, Calabrese, non-lineaged Sicilians) had to earn the position and show they were capable of it. Meanwhile Sicilian Mafia aristocrats (Tommy Gambino, Pete Inzerillo) were made members with the expectation that they would grow into it. They were not "killers" and in the eyes of a non-aristocratic Gravano or Fratianno who had more of a street-take on gangsterism, would be seen as weak or inferior to the "real gangsters." of course I wouldn't walz up to Tommy Gambino or Pete Inzerillo and tell them that. Someone like DiLeonardo may be able to expand on the bloodlines, the process that we rarely see. Lonardo was in a position to but never did.
If I sat down with Natale I wouldn't try to get him in gotchas, I'd just keep asking him questions hoping he'd drop enough crumbs for me to pick up on the actual truth.
So tell me about your tenure as boss.
"When I was boss I commanded everything. Forget about Merlino who's a fucking punk, motherfuck him, you know he robbed everybody--"
You were on parole in New Jersey, how did you get your edicts to the organization?"
"Joey would send Steve Mazzone to tell me what decisions were made. Joey was always a fucking punk, I was the boss, he did things the way I said they should be done."
In this theoretical, Ralph's lying his ass off, but we can sort through and extract elements that might be true. Etc. In Ralph's World, he's the Godfather and Merlino is a crony. IRL, Merlino is the boss today. Rather than go big dick with him, it's more beneficial to just let him talk and keep asking questions. But there were those, including myself, who didn't mind seeing Natale getting called on his shit. And we seen his excuses- deflection. He's a character, all we can say.