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Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 10:12 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 3:28 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 5:55 am I thought you were going to post something recent, not from the 30s, but it's still interesting.

It seems a lucrative racket from the get-go. Do they still do this in NY? Any family?
The last gasoline-related case I'm aware of is the one below from 2001. Involved the Russians and Luccheses.

https://nypost.com/2001/05/30/feds-mafi ... as-scheme/
http://www.americanmafia.com/News/5-30- ... tment.html
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!top ... UINV0S2Eh0
I'm really starting to wonder why it stopped....

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm

I guess we thank Bert, lol

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:24 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:29 am @Villian

You did Chicago burglary, drugs, trash, did you do gas too?
I was mostly fooling around so pls dont mind me, you are a good researcher and i understood your question.

Btw no i never did one on the gasoline racket and thats a great idea. Thanks
You should. I figured you were kinda joking, but I think you might be onto a great topic there.....

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by Wiseguy » Sun May 03, 2020 3:28 pm

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 5:55 am I thought you were going to post something recent, not from the 30s, but it's still interesting.

It seems a lucrative racket from the get-go. Do they still do this in NY? Any family?
The last gasoline-related case I'm aware of is the one below from 2001. Involved the Russians and Luccheses.

https://nypost.com/2001/05/30/feds-mafi ... as-scheme/
http://www.americanmafia.com/News/5-30- ... tment.html
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!top ... UINV0S2Eh0

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by MightyDR » Sun May 03, 2020 2:36 pm

Definitely Franzese first before Casso. Iorizzo said that he got into business with Franzese in 1981 which coincides with Michael's timeline.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xp ... story.html

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by Villain » Sun May 03, 2020 7:24 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 6:29 am @Villian

You did Chicago burglary, drugs, trash, did you do gas too?
I was mostly fooling around so pls dont mind me, you are a good researcher and i understood your question.

Btw no i never did one on the gasoline racket and thats a great idea. Thanks

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 6:29 am

@Villian

You did Chicago burglary, drugs, trash, did you do gas too?

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 6:15 am

So, yeah, question wasnt about the origins of gasoline bootlegging, ( It actually looks to be an interesting topic..) but between Fanzese and Casso, who was the first to be involved..

I'm thinking Franzese, hes the one who got the big indictment...

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 5:55 am

I thought you were going to post something recent, not from the 30s, but it's still interesting.

It seems a lucrative racket from the get-go. Do they still do this in NY? Any family?

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 5:48 am

Nice, I stand corrected. But that wasn't my question....

I asked WHO had the gas tax racket first, Casso or Franzese, not about the first instances of gasoline bootlegging in history, lol, someone is lying. I'm wondering which one, Franzese or Borello...

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by Villain » Sun May 03, 2020 3:42 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 1:15 am
bert wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 9:33 pm It started shorty after they started pumping gas, way before Franzese was even born. Most rackets and scams have been around forever in one form or another.
Lol, name a gasoline bootlegger then.. Or post a link to an major arrest or indictment of the Gas syndicate lmao....
. Y'all being silly for no reason.....
I already showed you the one about Capone so heres some additional ones which i found with a simple quick search..

This is from 1931...
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And from 1933...
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Hunders of other cases...so Bert is right. The racket was there even before both Franzese and Casso were born :mrgreen: 8-)

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 1:23 am

You know what, also... I can't help but wonder...


Why did they STOP doing this racket? It seems like all you really need is a front guy for the paperwork. Sell your gas, keep the tax money, close up shop, rinse repeat. I'm assuming they passed some law that made it harder....

A while back, I was in a gas station, and the, I dunno, Arab guy was raving at a customer, they were like haggling over the price of someshit, when he said, " We don't even make nothing off this gas!" I found it kind of an intriguing statement......
The same place recently raised their tobacco prices, which I also thought interesting...

I've always found the Gas Tax racket interesting, Franzese himself? I mean, whatever, lol...

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by CabriniGreen » Sun May 03, 2020 1:15 am

bert wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 9:33 pm It started shorty after they started pumping gas, way before Franzese was even born. Most rackets and scams have been around forever in one form or another.
Lol, name a gasoline bootlegger then.. Or post a link to an major arrest or indictment of the Gas syndicate lmao....
. Y'all being silly for no reason.....

The question really was centered around Casso. If he got into the Gas racket first, then this would have coincided right around the time he became underboss, and around the time DeCicco approached him about Paul.

It never has really made a whole lotta sense why Casso and Amuso were chosen over some guys who were more established. If he brought this new emerging, lucrative racket to the table, it would maybe explain some of why they picked him.

Funari seems to have had the most say in the families choice of successor, I don't know if there was ever a deep dive into Funari. Seems to have been a highly respected killer, not one of the big earners, I dunno...

I'm also trying to figure why Franzese got indicted for being the ringleader, if Casso was the bigger fish.

But like I said, I think it's just Borello throwing darts, Franzeses is his internet/podcast comp now I guess, lol

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by Villain » Sat May 02, 2020 11:24 pm

bert wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 9:33 pm It started shorty after they started pumping gas, way before Franzese was even born. Most rackets and scams have been around forever in one form or another.
I agree

Re: Gasoline Bootlegging: Who started it?

by bert » Sat May 02, 2020 9:33 pm

It started shorty after they started pumping gas, way before Franzese was even born. Most rackets and scams have been around forever in one form or another.

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