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Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by SantoClaus » Fri May 22, 2020 6:20 am

FriendofFamily wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 5:30 am I heard a very interesting Story from the Chicago Guys:

According to These Guys in Chicago, Carlos Marcello Brother, Joseph Marcello Jr. said to them that Santo Trafficante answered to Carlos Marcello. Has anyone heard of this - that Santos was answering to him? I wonder if it was more coordinating some of their activities - something along that line instead of answering to him.

The Chicago Guys were told from Joseph Marcello Jr. that they could operate down in New Orleans in most anything they wanted, except the restaurant Business, otherwise they would have a partner.
Never heard that Marcello told Trafficante what to do, but that they were fairly close.

It could be possible, as it appeared as if Marcello had his own rule set, closer to being in Sicily, opposed to the States.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by FriendofFamily » Fri May 22, 2020 5:30 am

I heard a very interesting Story from the Chicago Guys:

According to These Guys in Chicago, Carlos Marcello Brother, Joseph Marcello Jr. said to them that Santo Trafficante answered to Carlos Marcello. Has anyone heard of this - that Santos was answering to him? I wonder if it was more coordinating some of their activities - something along that line instead of answering to him.

The Chicago Guys were told from Joseph Marcello Jr. that they could operate down in New Orleans in most anything they wanted, except the restaurant Business, otherwise they would have a partner.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by stubbs » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 am

dixiemafia wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:52 pm The "keep it in the family" will always cause the death of a crime family. He never went far outside the family when he actually made guys it seems. As for if it could still be rolling today I doubt it as Sicilians quit going to the area once Ellis Island became the hotbed for those coming across the pond. My Aunt came over in 1920 or 21 and she came via Palermo to Ellis Island then West to Santa Maria California. Probably would have been easier going NOLA to California if the routes were still even going that way by then.
You’re right in terms of lack of immigration from the motherland. I’m still surprised more third and forth generation Italians never got really involved down there. Like people who’s grandfathers ran around with the Marcello gang.

The other thing that surprises me is that there was never a zip faction sent there to relocate from New York. Like, you’d think the Gambinos would’ve sent some zips there to run in some coke from South America to New York via the port of New Orleans, but I guess they can do all of that (making big time drug deals) without ever leaving New York.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by dixiemafia » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:52 pm

The "keep it in the family" will always cause the death of a crime family. He never went far outside the family when he actually made guys it seems. As for if it could still be rolling today I doubt it as Sicilians quit going to the area once Ellis Island became the hotbed for those coming across the pond. My Aunt came over in 1920 or 21 and she came via Palermo to Ellis Island then West to Santa Maria California. Probably would have been easier going NOLA to California if the routes were still even going that way by then.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by stubbs » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:12 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:57 pm
dixiemafia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:13 pm
stubbs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:27 amDo you mean there were potentially other factions who didn’t report to Marcello, or maybe didn’t really interact with him? That would be interesting to know, wonder if that would be the Carollas/Gaglianos or a different group entirely. Probably people who had rackets before Marcello came to power.
From what I've read and heard over the years old man Carolla is the one who put Marcello in charge, as if I remember correctly (don't bank on that) he was deported. Carolla's son tried to take over at one point during Marcello's reign but it didn't work. Honestly I think Marcello was paranoid when it came to making men to fill the ranks over the years. He was ruthless but he had MANY connections in the government in New Orleans and Louisiana protecting him.
It was a good ol' boy Southern Network & many of the top people were related by blood or marriage to Marcello. The Marcello Family seemed very similar to one of those smaller powerful Sicilian Mafia Clans in Italy IMO.
Yeah, and also like most of the smaller, more Sicilian families in the US. Marcello reminds me of guys like Angelo Bruno in that they didn’t make nearly as many members as they could’ve, and probably let a lot of independent operators work in the area.

I guess the biggest reason Philly is around and New Orleans isn’t is Philly had guys like Nicky Scarfo and Joey Merlino after him to institute a street tax and keep making guys.

No reason Nola couldn’t be a small family today and be out there shaking down independent bookmakers, strip clubs, and drug dealers. But alas, attrition did them in.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by Confederate » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:57 pm

dixiemafia wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:13 pm
stubbs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:27 amDo you mean there were potentially other factions who didn’t report to Marcello, or maybe didn’t really interact with him? That would be interesting to know, wonder if that would be the Carollas/Gaglianos or a different group entirely. Probably people who had rackets before Marcello came to power.
From what I've read and heard over the years old man Carolla is the one who put Marcello in charge, as if I remember correctly (don't bank on that) he was deported. Carolla's son tried to take over at one point during Marcello's reign but it didn't work. Honestly I think Marcello was paranoid when it came to making men to fill the ranks over the years. He was ruthless but he had MANY connections in the government in New Orleans and Louisiana protecting him.
It was a good ol' boy Southern Network & many of the top people were related by blood or marriage to Marcello. The Marcello Family seemed very similar to one of those smaller powerful Sicilian Mafia Clans in Italy IMO.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by dixiemafia » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:13 pm

stubbs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:27 amDo you mean there were potentially other factions who didn’t report to Marcello, or maybe didn’t really interact with him? That would be interesting to know, wonder if that would be the Carollas/Gaglianos or a different group entirely. Probably people who had rackets before Marcello came to power.
From what I've read and heard over the years old man Carolla is the one who put Marcello in charge, as if I remember correctly (don't bank on that) he was deported. Carolla's son tried to take over at one point during Marcello's reign but it didn't work. Honestly I think Marcello was paranoid when it came to making men to fill the ranks over the years. He was ruthless but he had MANY connections in the government in New Orleans and Louisiana protecting him.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by Antiliar » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:28 pm

stubbs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:27 am
Antiliar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:58 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:14 am
I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.
What I wrote wasn't about the number of members, but that New Orleans didn't have to report to the Commission. This info was from Greg Scarpa. With respect to 6 members versus 20, it's possible that both figures were guesses, or the 6 only referred to active members. From other reports it seems like there were older members who had little connection to the Marcello regime.
Do you mean there were potentially other factions who didn’t report to Marcello, or maybe didn’t really interact with him? That would be interesting to know, wonder if that would be the Carollas/Gaglianos or a different group entirely. Probably people who had rackets before Marcello came to power.
No, I didn't mean that there were other factions who didn't report to Marcello. He was the only boss of the New Orleans Family when he was the boss. Some members could be retired and inactive, so some people would count them toward the total, others would only count active members. If there were some real old-timers it's possible only the boss would know about them, and they would be otherwise forgotten. The Carollas and Gaglianos would have been under Marcello, just like all the others.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by furiofromnaples » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 pm

https://gofile.io/?c=AJo1Rd

Here is said that the family had 50 made men in 1963.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by stubbs » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:27 am

Antiliar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:58 pm
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:14 am
I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.
What I wrote wasn't about the number of members, but that New Orleans didn't have to report to the Commission. This info was from Greg Scarpa. With respect to 6 members versus 20, it's possible that both figures were guesses, or the 6 only referred to active members. From other reports it seems like there were older members who had little connection to the Marcello regime.
Do you mean there were potentially other factions who didn’t report to Marcello, or maybe didn’t really interact with him? That would be interesting to know, wonder if that would be the Carollas/Gaglianos or a different group entirely. Probably people who had rackets before Marcello came to power.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by Antiliar » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:58 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:14 am
I trust you but seem me strange that a family like New Orleans reduced in the 1960s to only 6 members while in another report are listed 20 members. Plus Scarpa said that Colombo speech was in 1968 ie 2 y after the la stella meeting and my report is from 1967. I dont think that Marcello inducted 14 men in 1 years.
What I wrote wasn't about the number of members, but that New Orleans didn't have to report to the Commission. This info was from Greg Scarpa. With respect to 6 members versus 20, it's possible that both figures were guesses, or the 6 only referred to active members. From other reports it seems like there were older members who had little connection to the Marcello regime.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by Confederate » Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:11 pm

stubbs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:58 pm
Lupara wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:50 pm If it's true New Orleans didn't have to answer to the Commission, they could've inducted hundreds of members if they wanted to. Would've been a strange scenario having a supersized family in that part of the States.
True, and Louisiana is so corrupt you’d think even a small family there would still be able to make a killing off of drug importing and bookmaking, shaking down brothers and strip clubs, etc.

But it seems like the NOLA family was like most of those old school Sicilian families in the US, in that was content to remain small and not induct any new members over time. So they died out due to attrition.

That whole casino skim that Carolla and his crew ran in the early 90s was incredibly small time. You’d think they would’ve been silent partners in the casinos or just made their money off of shaking down unions and construction groups... but I guess they were just a small time operation by that point.
It depends upon which Subject to which you are referring. Concerning Wikipedia articles about the Mafia, they are the most inaccurate, wildly exaggerated idiotic bullshit I have ever seen. They usually are written by anonymous fanboys. The information on this Forum is 100 times more accurate. Now, if you are talking about Wikipedia articles on OTHER subjects, then they may tend to be more towards the accurate side depending upon each particular one.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by stubbs » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:58 pm

Lupara wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:50 pm If it's true New Orleans didn't have to answer to the Commission, they could've inducted hundreds of members if they wanted to. Would've been a strange scenario having a supersized family in that part of the States.
True, and Louisiana is so corrupt you’d think even a small family there would still be able to make a killing off of drug importing and bookmaking, shaking down brothers and strip clubs, etc.

But it seems like the NOLA family was like most of those old school Sicilian families in the US, in that was content to remain small and not induct any new members over time. So they died out due to attrition.

That whole casino skim that Carolla and his crew ran in the early 90s was incredibly small time. You’d think they would’ve been silent partners in the casinos or just made their money off of shaking down unions and construction groups... but I guess they were just a small time operation by that point.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by stubbs » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:52 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:40 pm
stubbs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:31 pm
Rat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:59 pm I saw someone post on this forum that New Orleans had several hundred made guys at one point is that true?
No, Wikipedia said they had 300 members and 3,000 associates. But the citation used was a specific page (133 maybe?) in Raab’s book “Five Families” which never mentioned that on the specific page listed. So the citation was bullshit. I doubt NOLA ever had more than 10% of that.

If they had hundreds back in the day they wouldn’t be defunct now.
Agreed 100%. Wikipedia are just articles written by anonymous assholes with no facts and huge idiotic exaggerations. :roll:
Most of the time Wikipedia is actually pretty accurate, but for some reason random people seem to love to try to sneak in random lies on mob articles... probably to make themselves look cool. Anyone remember Junior Gotti’s alleged “son” Charles Herbert Gotti back in the day? Lmao.

But like with anything, the quality of the article depends on the citations used. I don’t know how to flag incorrect articles on Wikipedia or I would’ve done so myself.

Not really any different than reading a book on the mafia, you can tell a book is pretty accurate by reading through the list of the author’s citations and reference materials.

Re: New Orleans and The Commission

by Lupara » Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:50 pm

If it's true New Orleans didn't have to answer to the Commission, they could've inducted hundreds of members if they wanted to. Would've been a strange scenario having a supersized family in that part of the States.

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