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Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Peppermint » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:53 pm

Chucky wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:27 pm Him having a heart attack on youtube would give me jerkoff material for a year.
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Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by CabriniGreen » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:11 am

Anyone seen the one with Mike Tyson yet?

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Confederate » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:24 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am
CabriniGreen wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:11 am I mentioned Campos, a point I forgot to make....

If you believe the numbers, these guys made close to 800 million off Porn and Psychic hotlines.

Now, if you truly believe that's possible, than a couple billion off gasoline, to me is very plausible, especially if we are talking fraud...
Keep in mind that a couple billion in the 1980's would be nearly $5 billion today. The mob, including Franzese, made a lot of money with the gas scam but that's a stretch.
There were many, many people making money off the gas tax fraud including the Russians & as the "Legend" grows in time the numbers become way exaggerated into non reality & inaccurate descriptions missing a lot of pertinent details. Examples, Meyer Lansky & Al Capone.

Re: Michael Franzese Interview

by Wiseguy » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:26 am

thesociety 89 wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:25 am Why does Michael Franzese keep saying the Sicilian mafia isnt called La Cosa Nostra because it clearly fucking is.
In his speeches he's always made a distinction between the Sicilian "Mafia" and American "La Cosa Nostra." People who have studied the mob know the similarities and differences but I'm not sure why he chooses to emphasize it so much for general audiences.

Michael Franzese Interview

by thesociety 89 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:25 am

Why does Michael Franzese keep saying the Sicilian mafia isnt called La Cosa Nostra because it clearly fucking is.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Wiseguy » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:11 am

CabriniGreen wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:11 am I mentioned Campos, a point I forgot to make....

If you believe the numbers, these guys made close to 800 million off Porn and Psychic hotlines.

Now, if you truly believe that's possible, than a couple billion off gasoline, to me is very plausible, especially if we are talking fraud...
Keep in mind that a couple billion in the 1980's would be nearly $5 billion today. The mob, including Franzese, made a lot of money with the gas scam but that's a stretch.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by CabriniGreen » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:11 am

I mentioned Campos, a point I forgot to make....

If you believe the numbers, these guys made close to 800 million off Porn and Psychic hotlines.

Now, if you truly believe that's possible, than a couple billion off gasoline, to me is very plausible, especially if we are talking fraud...

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Lupara » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:02 pm

Franzese is a busy guy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbeh ... 86f94e5c55

I wonder whether he still has time for his preaching racket.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by CabriniGreen » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:51 am

What did you think of the phantom container repairs?

I think that's the racket that got him made, forming a shipping container repair company, and billing for phony repairs. I think he said it made 40-50k a month...

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Southshore88 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:35 am

Agreed - even with the more conservative amounts, the gas tax racket was a huge source of illicit revenue. While it wasn’t a racket that has the longevity of gambling, labor racketeering, etc. - it certainly packed a punch while it lasted.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Lupara » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:45 pm

^^^ Also agreed. Hey, we're in agreement! Good times ahead.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Wiseguy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:58 pm

B. wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:16 pm I tend to go with the most conservative estimates when it comes to racket-generated income. When you look at most wealthy mafia members throughout history, their true wealth seems to come from legitimate interests. These interests benefited from mafia influence and crossed into grey areas of legality, but they are not necessarily straight up "scams".

There are some exceptions, like bootlegging, which created a major boom for many members but we also don't have an objective way of knowing how much money was truly made then and how many members benefited significantly -- it is mostly anecdotal and some of those who were described as bootlegging kings were already significantly wealthy before prohibition. Look at Maranzano or Siracusa in Pittsburgh. Both were already wealthy and it was their ability to invest money they already had that placed them at the top of the bootlegging pyramid. That's typical of any free market -- it takes money to make money.

This gas scam's more conservative estimates are still worlds beyond other rackets and for some of the reasons already discussed, I lean toward the "smaller" numbers that have been given. My view on racket-generated income is similar to my view on the caps/peak membership -- I go with the most conservative estimates, but the caveat is that I believe they've been able to maintain and sustain those numbers more often than not, naturally with some ups and downs. I believe most mafia members have been and continue to be middle class, but like many middle class people their spending priorities are twisted up and just because they show luxury doesn't mean they have the savings to back it up.

By the way...

Scarpa reported to the FBI that Carmine Persico placed a murder contract on Michael Franzese and sent word to break up Sonny Franzese's Long Island crew and take over his operations as punishment for his son's actions. Franzese's crew resisted, however. This was right before things started to heat up in the family and bigger problems took precedent.
Agree 100%.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by B. » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:16 pm

I tend to go with the most conservative estimates when it comes to racket-generated income. When you look at most wealthy mafia members throughout history, their true wealth seems to come from legitimate interests. These interests benefited from mafia influence and crossed into grey areas of legality, but they are not necessarily straight up "scams".

There are some exceptions, like bootlegging, which created a major boom for many members but we also don't have an objective way of knowing how much money was truly made then and how many members benefited significantly -- it is mostly anecdotal and some of those who were described as bootlegging kings were already significantly wealthy before prohibition. Look at Maranzano or Siracusa in Pittsburgh. Both were already wealthy and it was their ability to invest money they already had that placed them at the top of the bootlegging pyramid. That's typical of any free market -- it takes money to make money.

This gas scam's more conservative estimates are still worlds beyond other rackets and for some of the reasons already discussed, I lean toward the "smaller" numbers that have been given. My view on racket-generated income is similar to my view on the caps/peak membership -- I go with the most conservative estimates, but the caveat is that I believe they've been able to maintain and sustain those numbers more often than not, naturally with some ups and downs. I believe most mafia members have been and continue to be middle class, but like many middle class people their spending priorities are twisted up and just because they show luxury doesn't mean they have the savings to back it up.

By the way...

Scarpa reported to the FBI that Carmine Persico placed a murder contract on Michael Franzese and sent word to break up Sonny Franzese's Long Island crew and take over his operations as punishment for his son's actions. Franzese's crew resisted, however. This was right before things started to heat up in the family and bigger problems took precedent.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Wiseguy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:35 pm

I've always been sceptical of the higher-end estimates we've seen. And then it gets really convaluted because there are a lot of figures thrown out, as well as what exactly those numbers are referring to - how much was Franzese making a week? How much was his operations (his guys and their other rackets) making a week? The overall take from the gas tax scam involving the other NY families and the Russians? What areas are we talking about - New York/New Jersey or Florida? Are we talking about the time frame that Franzese and his partners ran their scam before being indicted or are we talking about the entire time the LCN was involved in gas tax scams? And so on. This is often not clearly spelled out in the articles you read. And the numbers have fluctuated over the years when Franzese himself as told the story.

Iorizzo testfied that he was personally passing anywhere from $12,000 to $50,000 a week to Franzese. It's obvious Franzese made millions, probably tens of millions, for himself and the Colombo family when he was involved in the racket. The other families obviously made millions as well.

The figure I've seen for the amount of gas stations connected to Franzese and his operation was 350. That may be an exaggeration but who knows.

Re: Michael Franzese plays Mafia II game

by Amershire_Ed » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:09 am

Franzese has said in several interviews that a good chunk of his income was completely legitimate. I think he owned several car dealerships, he had the production company and was making movies.

I tend to think a lot of the dollar figures he’s quoted are mostly close to being accurate. Fortune Magazine listed him as one of the 50 richest “mob bosses” in 85. Obviously it’s just a guess but this was before he flipped and started telling all kinds of tales.

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