by maxiestern11 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:33 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:55 am
maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:56 pm
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:11 pm
Looks like a fat slob. Wasn't he a blackbelt martial artist or something? Crazy his mom had him at just 16 years old too. I know none of these guys were saints but it seems the 90s Luccheses have a disproportionate number of egregiously scummy deadbeats compared to the other families
I agree totally. Nobody ever claimed to be a choirboy, the street’s are the street! But in the last twenty-thirty years the quality of Fellows has really, really plummeted. Both in brainpower, capability, Heart and soul..... I think a good word for it Would be “shit”! They’ve made a lot shit lately. Not everyone clearly. There were (and are) some good, capable guys who have a bit of heart and empathy....
But proportionately, its been a shit show.
That’s why there’s more rats today. These guys fold like accordions as soon as the feds tighten their shoe laces.
Mobsters, wiseguy’s or whatever you wanna call em, are supposed to have parameters in that life. When there are NO parameters, and ANYTHING goes. Killing women, selling junk and Fentnyal, ratting out your own “blood” - a dad, brother, uncle, cousin, dear dear lifelong friend. Then things have changed for the very worst! .... and it’s NOT gonna get better or make a rebound. FINITO!
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These are real scrapping “bottom of the barrel” guys. Both in base intelligence and “heart” and “mentality”! IMO
And although the “morality” may not be what John Q Citizen understands or agree’s with, whether you take an oath on a bible or a Mass card .... you take a fucking oath!!
It may be considered a warped belief by some, but to these guys it’s supposed to be “sacred”! .... EVEN FUCKING THIS YOU BETRAY? ... am I right?
So it shows that NOTHING is sacred or honored. Nothing! That type of mentality is very scary! Hate to be on a battlefield with one of these guys fighting the Nazi’s or Japs during WWII that’s for sure! They’d run for the hills!
All the smart Italians make can see there is more money/less risk in legal business than joining the modern day mafia.
1000% correct! .... you’re not bumping into the Frank Costello’s, Luciano’s, Profaci’s or Lucchese’s today on the streets. Those type men were very intelligent and savvy guys. Maybe not college educated (it was a different time in history). But they could match wits and organizational know how with anyone!...for God sakes look what they built!
They went into crime because they had very few options in life and didn’t wanna end up as “crumbs” as Luciano so astutely observed and quoted... Those kinds of guys are typicallly not in this life today. They were raised in better homes, graduated college; maybe law or medical school. Today it’s Dr Luciano. Thomas Lucchese “counselor of law”, etc.
Most fella’s who choose this life today are from the lower strada, of not only capabilities and balls, but even base intelligence.
The only exceptions I personally know of are some of the sons and nephews of the older fella’s who were drawn to the life after watching their fathers and uncles from the previous generation. They were enamoured because of their love and devotion to their “blood” families and kinda “fell into” this life..... many of those guys were/and are sharp, intelligent and have tremendous balls and street savvy.
But unfortunately it’s the year 2020. And law enforcement is way too sophisticated, there’s too many rats, the laws on the books are not like the 1930’s or 1950’s era, when penalties were a slap on the wrist, etc.
The world changed! It always does.... and we who don’t change along with it, are doomed!
PS: and fathers/uncles who encouraged their kids to join up either just didn’t realize that the tide was turning, were short sighted, or in some cases were just pig-headed like a Gotti (who couldn’t see the forest for the trees to begin with, for himself, let alone his son). There was no reason for it. A perfect example of what I’m talking about is Allie Persico (the son). He’s nobody’s fool. Smart, college educated, good looking guy, etc... he had it all going for him. His father should have just set him up in business (big business) and allowed him to thrive... but Junior, being the “dyed in the wool” hoodlum he was just didn’t think that way. And Allie, because he loved his father and family so, jumped right into the fire like most devoted sons would. Especially Italian sons from very close-knit blood families. And now he’s serving life in jail! It’s a crying shame.
And one last note. And one of the MOST important things is that 95% of the recruits today. Literally 95%, do NOT get “groomed” anymore. It is basically a thing of the past. Why? Who the fuck knows! But I can also tell you this. Even if they wanted to “properly groom” a guy. Who’s gonna do it? Because most of the guys a bit older, say in their 40’s-50’s, haven’t even been properly groomed themselves. It’s been a total breakdown in tradition, “know how” and functionality for a long time now. Last forty plus years I’d say.
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Looks like a fat slob. Wasn't he a blackbelt martial artist or something? Crazy his mom had him at just 16 years old too. I know none of these guys were saints but it seems the 90s Luccheses have a disproportionate number of egregiously scummy deadbeats compared to the other families
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I agree totally. Nobody ever claimed to be a choirboy, the street’s are the street! But in the last twenty-thirty years the quality of Fellows has really, really plummeted. Both in brainpower, capability, Heart and soul..... I think a good word for it Would be “shit”! They’ve made a lot shit lately. Not everyone clearly. There were (and are) some good, capable guys who have a bit of heart and empathy....
But proportionately, its been a shit show.
That’s why there’s more rats today. These guys fold like accordions as soon as the feds tighten their shoe laces.
Mobsters, wiseguy’s or whatever you wanna call em, are supposed to have parameters in that life. When there are NO parameters, and ANYTHING goes. Killing women, selling junk and Fentnyal, ratting out your own “blood” - a dad, brother, uncle, cousin, dear dear lifelong friend. Then things have changed for the very worst! .... and it’s NOT gonna get better or make a rebound. FINITO!
-
These are real scrapping “bottom of the barrel” guys. Both in base intelligence and “heart” and “mentality”! IMO
And although the “morality” may not be what John Q Citizen understands or agree’s with, whether you take an oath on a bible or a Mass card .... you take a fucking oath!!
It may be considered a warped belief by some, but to these guys it’s supposed to be “sacred”! .... EVEN FUCKING THIS YOU BETRAY? ... am I right?
So it shows that NOTHING is sacred or honored. Nothing! That type of mentality is very scary! Hate to be on a battlefield with one of these guys fighting the Nazi’s or Japs during WWII that’s for sure! They’d run for the hills!
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All the smart Italians make can see there is more money/less risk in legal business than joining the modern day mafia.
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1000% correct! .... you’re not bumping into the Frank Costello’s, Luciano’s, Profaci’s or Lucchese’s today on the streets. Those type men were very intelligent and savvy guys. Maybe not college educated (it was a different time in history). But they could match wits and organizational know how with anyone!...for God sakes look what they built!
They went into crime because they had very few options in life and didn’t wanna end up as “crumbs” as Luciano so astutely observed and quoted... Those kinds of guys are typicallly not in this life today. They were raised in better homes, graduated college; maybe law or medical school. Today it’s Dr Luciano. Thomas Lucchese “counselor of law”, etc.
Most fella’s who choose this life today are from the lower strada, of not only capabilities and balls, but even base intelligence.
The only exceptions I personally know of are some of the sons and nephews of the older fella’s who were drawn to the life after watching their fathers and uncles from the previous generation. They were enamoured because of their love and devotion to their “blood” families and kinda “fell into” this life..... many of those guys were/and are sharp, intelligent and have tremendous balls and street savvy.
But unfortunately it’s the year 2020. And law enforcement is way too sophisticated, there’s too many rats, the laws on the books are not like the 1930’s or 1950’s era, when penalties were a slap on the wrist, etc.
The world changed! It always does.... and we who don’t change along with it, are doomed!
PS: and fathers/uncles who encouraged their kids to join up either just didn’t realize that the tide was turning, were short sighted, or in some cases were just pig-headed like a Gotti (who couldn’t see the forest for the trees to begin with, for himself, let alone his son). There was no reason for it. A perfect example of what I’m talking about is Allie Persico (the son). He’s nobody’s fool. Smart, college educated, good looking guy, etc... he had it all going for him. His father should have just set him up in business (big business) and allowed him to thrive... but Junior, being the “dyed in the wool” hoodlum he was just didn’t think that way. And Allie, because he loved his father and family so, jumped right into the fire like most devoted sons would. Especially Italian sons from very close-knit blood families. And now he’s serving life in jail! It’s a crying shame.
And one last note. And one of the MOST important things is that 95% of the recruits today. Literally 95%, do NOT get “groomed” anymore. It is basically a thing of the past. Why? Who the fuck knows! But I can also tell you this. Even if they wanted to “properly groom” a guy. Who’s gonna do it? Because most of the guys a bit older, say in their 40’s-50’s, haven’t even been properly groomed themselves. It’s been a total breakdown in tradition, “know how” and functionality for a long time now. Last forty plus years I’d say.