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Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Bruno187 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:14 pm

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:04 pm
Bruno187 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:24 pm It's his family's place. His brother's own and run it, he has nothing to do with it anymore.
Is he still a captain in Florida? He must be out by now

He's been out for a while now. Last I heard he was up here in NY, but he's also got a place down in Fla so goes back and forth.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Targenmantarian » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:14 pm

bert wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:34 pm
JMAN723 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:07 am Growing up in NY especially with my father being a cop I always heard stories about a lot of bodies being discovered that were non related and since DNA evidence wasn’t like what it is now it make it so difficult to attach to it anybody specifically. So yeah there are so many unsolved that we will never know
They used dental records back then with a lot of success, and if fingerprints were still readable that would do the trick
Most of them don't have prints. They are just shot corpses that the cops found or were buried to this day.

When you remove hi res omnipresent surveillance and the fact we appreciate carry a device that logs our every move and our every convo it becomes really easy to kill people.

Up until 2000 or late 90s they just needed to be able to leave the scene and not be caught there.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by TommyGambino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:04 pm

Bruno187 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:24 pm It's his family's place. His brother's own and run it, he has nothing to do with it anymore.
Is he still a captain in Florida? He must be out by now

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by JMAN723 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:45 pm

bert wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:34 pm
JMAN723 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:07 am Growing up in NY especially with my father being a cop I always heard stories about a lot of bodies being discovered that were non related and since DNA evidence wasn’t like what it is now it make it so difficult to attach to it anybody specifically. So yeah there are so many unsolved that we will never know
They used dental records back then with a lot of success, and if fingerprints were still readable that would do the trick

Yeah I know

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by bert » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:34 pm

JMAN723 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:07 am Growing up in NY especially with my father being a cop I always heard stories about a lot of bodies being discovered that were non related and since DNA evidence wasn’t like what it is now it make it so difficult to attach to it anybody specifically. So yeah there are so many unsolved that we will never know
They used dental records back then with a lot of success, and if fingerprints were still readable that would do the trick

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by JMAN723 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:07 am

Growing up in NY especially with my father being a cop I always heard stories about a lot of bodies being discovered that were non related and since DNA evidence wasn’t like what it is now it make it so difficult to attach to it anybody specifically. So yeah there are so many unsolved that we will never know

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Targenmantarian » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:22 pm

In the golden era of mob mayhem from the late 70s to the early 90s there's gotta be many many unsolved or semi solved but uncharged bodies in NYC especially.

Unless there's an untested DNA sample ala Mikey Cigars or some crazy media attention like the three capos no one cares about them.

It takes a movie on the dead guys to prompt a reopening.

Arresting people for selling drugs is a zillion times easier and they get to keep the money.

Absent the public caring the rest of it is hard work and falls by the wayside of easy wiretap cases and revenue collection.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Chaps » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:08 pm

My feeling has always been the Feds were obsessed with convicting Gotti. I really don’t think that after that they gave a shit about who was involved. Gravano gave up the names on the Castellano hit. They could have indicted but didn’t.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by JMAN723 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:54 pm

Adam wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:34 am What about possibly Tony Plate?

. I don’t think so. I’ve always heard Willie Boy Johnson was the one who killed Plate on orders from Gotti. Now it’s possible Gotti,Angelo, Carneglia assisted but I don’t know.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Bruno187 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:24 pm

It's his family's place. His brother's own and run it, he has nothing to do with it anymore.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by NYNighthawk » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:28 am

Vinny Artuso had a great pastry shop on Arthur Ave in the Bronx years ago. I haven't been there in 30 years - is he or his family still running it?

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Bruno187 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:28 pm

Yes...he's been out a while now.

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Rocco » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:23 pm

Bruno187 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:02 pm
NYNighthawk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:49 am If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?
Those guys would say nothing and wind up taking a contempt charge, maybe do some time. In the end, they probably wouldn't have enough to indict, never mind convict.
Artuso was another guy who was never charged. I wonder if his gun jamming and his not firing was a cause of him never being charged, although they would certainly have enough for conspiracy.
Who knows.
yup. he out yet from the Palm Beach county case?

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by Adam » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:34 am

What about possibly Tony Plate?

Re: Open murder cases on John Carneglia

by slimshady_007 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:37 am

bronx wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:42 am Gravano can never testify for the G again.
True. Gravano’s days as a witness are over. If he was ever brought to the witness stand defense lawyers would rip him apart.

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