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Re: FBI File Frustrations

by cavita » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:54 pm

Well two years and three months later I received my requested FBI file on an LCN member who died in 1980. Though I provided proof of death on nearly 50 associates and members the processor ended up leaving a couple names unredacted and they weren't even names I had included. Though it was nice to have the file it's still frustrating at all the redactions- names and things blacked out even 70 years after the fact.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Snakes » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:04 pm

Lefty_Ruggiero wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:00 pm
Snakes wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:27 pm
Lefty_Ruggiero wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:22 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:39 pm
bert wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 pm
Antiliar wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:06 pm I feel your pain, cavita. The only person I know of who sued and won was Angela Clemente, who had a high-powered lawyer who was an expert in the FOIPA law. She obtained the release of the Greg Scarpa files, but they were still heavily redacted.
I think she appealed it and got a second batch with less redactions, but they still take out too much.
What's the proper route when filing an appeal? Just typing a letter saying, "Hey, these records are 30 years old, what ongoing investigation could it jeopardize?"
I can help you out, check your PM.
Hey snakes can you PM me what to exactly state regarding appeals for future searches ? I FOIA requested files on Lufthansa suspect Angelo Sepe, it has been granted still waiting on files though, been like 9 months already.
That's a normal waiting time for files, especially for requests of a broad nature. Wait and see what you get before going through the trouble of appealing.
Understood, they said there were like 14,000 files on him, ordered 999 pages. He was highly profiled around that time. They wanted to get him on Lufthansa Heist. I hope for some juicy stuff in it.
Yeah, your best bet would be to narrow it down to a certain time frame. Just ask your assigned agent how you can reduce the scope of your request; normally they are more helpful to people who are more specific in their requests, plus it will be processed quicker.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Lefty_Ruggiero » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:00 pm

Snakes wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:27 pm
Lefty_Ruggiero wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:22 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:39 pm
bert wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 pm
Antiliar wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:06 pm I feel your pain, cavita. The only person I know of who sued and won was Angela Clemente, who had a high-powered lawyer who was an expert in the FOIPA law. She obtained the release of the Greg Scarpa files, but they were still heavily redacted.
I think she appealed it and got a second batch with less redactions, but they still take out too much.
What's the proper route when filing an appeal? Just typing a letter saying, "Hey, these records are 30 years old, what ongoing investigation could it jeopardize?"
I can help you out, check your PM.
Hey snakes can you PM me what to exactly state regarding appeals for future searches ? I FOIA requested files on Lufthansa suspect Angelo Sepe, it has been granted still waiting on files though, been like 9 months already.
That's a normal waiting time for files, especially for requests of a broad nature. Wait and see what you get before going through the trouble of appealing.
Understood, they said there were like 14,000 files on him, ordered 999 pages. He was highly profiled around that time. They wanted to get him on Lufthansa Heist. I hope for some juicy stuff in it.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Snakes » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:27 pm

Lefty_Ruggiero wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:22 am
Snakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:39 pm
bert wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 pm
Antiliar wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:06 pm I feel your pain, cavita. The only person I know of who sued and won was Angela Clemente, who had a high-powered lawyer who was an expert in the FOIPA law. She obtained the release of the Greg Scarpa files, but they were still heavily redacted.
I think she appealed it and got a second batch with less redactions, but they still take out too much.
What's the proper route when filing an appeal? Just typing a letter saying, "Hey, these records are 30 years old, what ongoing investigation could it jeopardize?"
I can help you out, check your PM.
Hey snakes can you PM me what to exactly state regarding appeals for future searches ? I FOIA requested files on Lufthansa suspect Angelo Sepe, it has been granted still waiting on files though, been like 9 months already.
That's a normal waiting time for files, especially for requests of a broad nature. Wait and see what you get before going through the trouble of appealing.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by maxiestern11 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:19 pm

cavita wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm At the same time, two years ago this month, I requested an LCN member's FBI file. He was active from the 1950s until his death in 1980, so there had better be none of this "compromising law enforcement investigation" or any of that shit.
They are full of BS

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Lefty_Ruggiero » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:22 am

Snakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:39 pm
bert wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:23 pm
Antiliar wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:06 pm I feel your pain, cavita. The only person I know of who sued and won was Angela Clemente, who had a high-powered lawyer who was an expert in the FOIPA law. She obtained the release of the Greg Scarpa files, but they were still heavily redacted.
I think she appealed it and got a second batch with less redactions, but they still take out too much.
What's the proper route when filing an appeal? Just typing a letter saying, "Hey, these records are 30 years old, what ongoing investigation could it jeopardize?"
I can help you out, check your PM.
Hey snakes can you PM me what to exactly state regarding appeals for future searches ? I FOIA requested files on Lufthansa suspect Angelo Sepe, it has been granted still waiting on files though, been like 9 months already.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Confederate » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 am

bert wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:27 am The Muckrack link is interesting, I can see how people asking for close to or over 100 files can be considered a nuisance, but requesting a dozen or less files should not be a problem. I clicked on the highlighted names of 2 of the people listed and wound up on their twitter site, which is not what I expected.
Yes, the same thing happened to me when I clicked on the highlighted names about a week ago. I wonder why Muckrack directs you to that person's twitter site or facebook? Seems strange?

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Antiliar » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:50 pm

It sounded like they're planning an active prosecution, but I don't know who they would go after, after all these years. Maybe Vena, but by the time they get around to indictments he'll be dead.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Snakes » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:26 pm

bert wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 pm
Antiliar wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:59 pm
cavita wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm At the same time, two years ago this month, I requested an LCN member's FBI file. He was active from the 1950s until his death in 1980, so there had better be none of this "compromising law enforcement investigation" or any of that shit.
Chuck Nicoletti was killed in 1977 and that's exactly why they won't release his file.
Even with redactions?
They claim it is still an active case. I think it has something to do with the JFK files being released. It may be one if the last holdouts in that regard.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by bert » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:17 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:59 pm
cavita wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm At the same time, two years ago this month, I requested an LCN member's FBI file. He was active from the 1950s until his death in 1980, so there had better be none of this "compromising law enforcement investigation" or any of that shit.
Chuck Nicoletti was killed in 1977 and that's exactly why they won't release his file.
Even with redactions?

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Antiliar » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:59 pm

cavita wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm At the same time, two years ago this month, I requested an LCN member's FBI file. He was active from the 1950s until his death in 1980, so there had better be none of this "compromising law enforcement investigation" or any of that shit.
Chuck Nicoletti was killed in 1977 and that's exactly why they won't release his file.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by cavita » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:41 pm

At the same time, two years ago this month, I requested an LCN member's FBI file. He was active from the 1950s until his death in 1980, so there had better be none of this "compromising law enforcement investigation" or any of that shit.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by 500YearReign » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:38 pm

Stroccos wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:49 am
Antiliar wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:42 pm
Snakes wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:11 pm
B. wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:05 pm From what I understand there has been a move to slow down these requests and I question how much objective oversight there is in terms of fulfilling requests -- they could easily say an investigation is ongoing to nip a request and who is going to question it?

A list got leaked not long ago of the FBI's most "vexsome" FOIA requesters, meaning people who annoy them by requesting the most files. The language and nature of the list is a clear indication of how they feel about these requests.

I say keep at it if you can, brother. Something is bound to come through.
I was on that list
Yes you were:
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/ ... -who-foia/
I am still waiting for my own personal file. its been years. I am starting to think I am red flagged or something.
They have denied me, my personal file in its entirety. Almost every exception has been used in the statute through several requests and have also been "glomar" by the FBI.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by bert » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:27 am

The Muckrack link is interesting, I can see how people asking for close to or over 100 files can be considered a nuisance, but requesting a dozen or less files should not be a problem. I clicked on the highlighted names of 2 of the people listed and wound up on their twitter site, which is not what I expected.

Re: FBI File Frustrations

by Stroccos » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:49 am

Antiliar wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:42 pm
Snakes wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:11 pm
B. wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:05 pm From what I understand there has been a move to slow down these requests and I question how much objective oversight there is in terms of fulfilling requests -- they could easily say an investigation is ongoing to nip a request and who is going to question it?

A list got leaked not long ago of the FBI's most "vexsome" FOIA requesters, meaning people who annoy them by requesting the most files. The language and nature of the list is a clear indication of how they feel about these requests.

I say keep at it if you can, brother. Something is bound to come through.
I was on that list
Yes you were:
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/ ... -who-foia/
I am still waiting for my own personal file. its been years. I am starting to think I am red flagged or something.

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