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by **NJShore4Life** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:02 pm

PHL_Mob wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:15 pm Ralph’s daughter is about to marry Frank depasquale’s oldest son who is first cousins with the Chang’s

She’s a fucking absolute smokeshow of a Broad too!

by **PHL_Mob** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:15 pm

Ralph’s daughter is about to marry Frank depasquale’s oldest son who is first cousins with the Chang’s

by **PHL_Mob** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:14 pm

Yeah you’re right about that. The Changs and the Punges are close and they helped them a lot back when Chick went away. Joey Jr was brought in by Blond Babe during the Front end of the Stanfa years. Joey Jr also sent flowers to Blond Babe’s funeral a huge fuckin get up of flowers to show his respect from South Carolina. Whoever told you that Pung Sr backed off early on in stanfa reign is right. I don’t know if this 100% the whole reason but I have heard from pretty credible people that Pung Sr was against taxing independent bookies. He was more of a Bruno guy in that he thought the bookies should all not get taxed but lay-off or juice money from the organization rather than collecting a monthly/weekly elbow. He backed off a bit after Stanfa reinstated the shakes across the board. Pung Sr was also a smart guy and knew what time it was. He always paid but didn’t want any part of admin or capo slots especially once the writing was on the wall that it was going to be a shooting war with the young Merlino group.

by B. » Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:44 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:25 pm
baldo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:57 am Just how bad is his condition? Is he basically a vegetable or can he work?

Scarfo Jr. tried to recruit him for his crew several years back so evidently he must be functional.

Pogo

He attended the Tony Piccolo funeral in 2004 and I've seen an undated surveillance photo of him post-shooting where he is walking down the street using a cane of some sort. Hard to gauge from one photo taken at a distance, but he looked surprisingly good given the accounts of the shooting and aftermath.

Joe Ciancaglini Jr. was particularly close to the Pungitores and associated closely with Ralph Pungitore (who was proposed for membership) and Anthony Pungitore Sr. Pungitore Sr. was part of the initial wave to bring the family back together along with Bocchino and Sparacino before Stanfa took over and during the early part of Stanfa's regime but he appears to have dropped out and I vaguely recall seeing something about Pungitore Sr. having a falling out with Stanfa. I'm under the impression Pungitore Sr. was influential in Ciancaglini Jr.'s rise in the family during that period given their close relationship.

by **Chucky** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:16 am

Mikeymike12 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:43 pm
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:09 pm
IrishDave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?
Stanfa wanted Merlino and Michael Ciancaglini made because he thought it'd make them easier to bring in and kill
Yeah, I always wonder why he didn’t just clip them then. Or have a fake Induction ceremony just for them. Who was in that making Ceremony?

Because even though he wanted to clip them, things weren't that bad yet, shit didn't hit the fan until Joey Chang tried to kill Michael and then it all went to shit. Merlino and Chang had most of the street tax sewn up and most of the capable guys, Stanfa had reason to play ball with them.

by **chin_gigante** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:41 am

Mikeymike12 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:43 pm
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:09 pm
IrishDave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?
Stanfa wanted Merlino and Michael Ciancaglini made because he thought it'd make them easier to bring in and kill
Yeah, I always wonder why he didn’t just clip them then. Or have a fake Induction ceremony just for them. Who was in that making Ceremony?

We know Biagio Adornetto for certain. Joseph Massimino was also made in 1992 so there's a good chance he was made then. Maybe Gaeton Lucibello also

by **Mikeymike12** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:43 pm

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:09 pm
IrishDave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?
Stanfa wanted Merlino and Michael Ciancaglini made because he thought it'd make them easier to bring in and kill

Yeah, I always wonder why he didn’t just clip them then. Or have a fake Induction ceremony just for them. Who was in that making Ceremony?

by **Pogo The Clown** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:25 pm

baldo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:57 am Just how bad is his condition? Is he basically a vegetable or can he work?

Scarfo Jr. tried to recruit him for his crew several years back so evidently he must be functional.

Pogo

by **NJShore4Life** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:59 pm

Scoops lives in a house in North Jersey (Florham Park) that is a cunt hair under a million dollars- guy is/was an earner!

by **Chucky** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:14 pm

IrishDave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm
Chucky wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:31 am Merlino and Michael were made together, sponsored by Licata.
Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?

Licata said this himself, Stefanelli recorded him saying it.

by **chin_gigante** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:09 pm

IrishDave wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?

Stanfa wanted Merlino and Michael Ciancaglini made because he thought it'd make them easier to bring in and kill

by **IrishDave** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:26 pm

Chucky wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:31 am Merlino and Michael were made together, sponsored by Licata.

Licata is "Scoops"? If so, why would the capo of the North Jersey crew sponsor them? Was Licata close to their fathers? Also, if Joe and Michael hated each other, why wouldn't Joe fight his brothers induction?

by **chin_gigante** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:11 am

Looked back at my notes. John Ciancaglini was made by Natale after the Billy Veasey murder but Natale provided 3 different dates for it: January, June and October 1996

by **Chucky** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:31 am

Merlino and Michael were made together, sponsored by Licata.

by **chin_gigante** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:07 am

Mikeymike12 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:13 pm I believe Johnny was made first ,Michael second and then Joesph , right?
Who was the biggest earner out of the 3 of them ?
And Who would you say had the most pull

Joseph was made in November 1991, Michael in September 1992 and John got made by Ralph Natale sometime after his January 1995 release from prison

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