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by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:06 pm

Cheech wrote:Is Ninny outside or away?

I checked and he has been out since 2007.

Pogo

by **Cheech** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:28 pm

Is Ninny outside or away?

by **Rocco** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:10 pm

This guy hasn't been indicted in forever. Beginning to think he is semi retired like Andy Gerardo did. Maybe he has an acting Capo for him up here. Anyone have a list of active guys in the crew? Is John "Blue" DeFroscia in this crew..?

by **HairyKnuckles** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:21 am

East Bronx wrote:
HairyKnuckles wrote:It´s confusing. Both "our" DeVita and the one who passed back in March were formerly of Livingston, NJ. And they share the same first and last names. What are the odds for that? The year of birth shown in the obitaury is off though. "Our" Devita was born in 1935 or 1931. (1935 according to the attachment posted above but 1931 according to newspaper articles on him.)
It's not him, HK. It's a cousin.

"Our" DeVita (I like that ) is about 85. Plus, this obit says formerly of Livingston. "Our" DeVita was born in Sicily. And I've never seen an obit in my life where an American who was born in Italy didn't have it mentioned in his/her obit.

All moot, anyway. It's definitely not him. Westside Sil is alive and well. And Rocco is right about his spending his winters in Boynton Beach. He has a place in Ocean Ridge.

Thanks for the clarification. If DeVita is about 85, that would mean he was born around 1930. So the YOB shown in the attachment above (1935) is erronous. A newspaper clipping on his arrest for robbery/murder from 1951 says he was 20 years old at the time. Other clippings suggests the same, that he was born in 1930 or 1931.

by **Rocco** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:57 am

East Bronx wrote:
Rocco wrote:
East Bronx wrote:
Rocco wrote:Out of respect for the old man we will do him a solid and say he winters in Ocean Ridge instead of Boynton Beach ....
He enjoys the walk over the Intracoastal Bridge to the Banana Boat. It relaxes him. He's a real hoot at those Jamaican Sunday brunches .
I've been to that place w/ my parents!! I saw 65yr old white snow birds grinding up to 27yr old black dreadlocked dudes. What a freak show that was. What's the name of the other place across the lagoon? Seems a little more hip.
The Two Georges. Uglier place, but a classier crowd, if that makes any sense.

Yep that's it. Seems to have a big happy hr crowd there. I don't really spend allot of time in Boynton. Mostly delray, lauderdale or further up north in Jupiter north palm beach area. My buddy has an interest in 101 ocean in Lauderdale by the sea. Good place one block in from Aruba's. Check it out next winter good food and drinks.

by **East Bronx** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:50 pm

Rocco wrote:
East Bronx wrote:
Rocco wrote:Out of respect for the old man we will do him a solid and say he winters in Ocean Ridge instead of Boynton Beach ....
He enjoys the walk over the Intracoastal Bridge to the Banana Boat. It relaxes him. He's a real hoot at those Jamaican Sunday brunches .
I've been to that place w/ my parents!! I saw 65yr old white snow birds grinding up to 27yr old black dreadlocked dudes. What a freak show that was. What's the name of the other place across the lagoon? Seems a little more hip.

The Two Georges. Uglier place, but a classier crowd, if that makes any sense.

by **Rocco** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:43 pm

East Bronx wrote:
Rocco wrote:Out of respect for the old man we will do him a solid and say he winters in Ocean Ridge instead of Boynton Beach ....
He enjoys the walk over the Intracoastal Bridge to the Banana Boat. It relaxes him. He's a real hoot at those Jamaican Sunday brunches .

I've been to that place w/ my parents!! I saw 65yr old white snow birds grinding up to 27yr old black dreadlocked dudes. What a freak show that was. What's the name of the other place across the lagoon? Seems a little more hip.

by **East Bronx** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:35 pm

Rocco wrote:Out of respect for the old man we will do him a solid and say he winters in Ocean Ridge instead of Boynton Beach ....

He enjoys the walk over the Intracoastal Bridge to the Banana Boat. It relaxes him. He's a real hoot at those Jamaican Sunday brunches

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by **123JoeSchmo** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:14 pm

That makes a hell of a lot of sense now. I knew a kid who came from an Italian family who's brother was named after his grandfather and he himself was named after his father but with a different middle name so he technically wasn't "junior". You Italians I swear, no wonder you all need nicknames

by **Rocco** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:32 pm

East Bronx wrote:
HairyKnuckles wrote:It´s confusing. Both "our" DeVita and the one who passed back in March were formerly of Livingston, NJ. And they share the same first and last names. What are the odds for that? The year of birth shown in the obitaury is off though. "Our" Devita was born in 1935 or 1931. (1935 according to the attachment posted above but 1931 according to newspaper articles on him.)
It's not him, HK. It's a cousin.

"Our" DeVita (I like that ) is about 85. Plus, this obit says formerly of Livingston. "Our" DeVita was born in Sicily. And I've never seen an obit in my life where an American who was born in Italy didn't have it mentioned in his/her obit.

All moot, anyway. It's definitely not him. Westside Sil is alive and well. And Rocco is right about his spending his winters in Boynton Beach. He has a place in Ocean Ridge.

Out of respect for the old man we will do him a solid and say he winters in Ocean Ridge instead of Boynton Beach ....

by **Cheech** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:27 pm

My father and his cousin both graduated high school together. Same name. Different middle names. One Andy B and the other Andy A
Me, great uncle, dad and two cousins all same name. Same town. I know other examples of friends. It's not all that weird in a big Italian family.
My grandfather is the youngest of 17 kids (2 died from polio early). They all named there kids the same thing.
John. Andy. Benny. Frank. Etc etc. etc.

by **East Bronx** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:07 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote:Wtf is it with Genovese captains having doppelgänger's?! Doesnt Barney have a namesake cousin as well?

I said it on the other board, Sonny. It's not mutually exclusive to the Mafia. I hate to use a fucking movie as a reference, but it's like the wedding voiceover in "Goodfellas" wth all the Peters, Pauls, and Maries. Italians are big on tradition. And naming male children for their grandfather is a big one. So with a big family, you could have half a dozen cousins with the same name.

Here's what I posted at the Junior Site:

Perfect example: A lot of people (even the "researchers") get confused about Farby (the guy who was acting for Vince when he went away in '97). Farby died young a few years later.

Anyway, Farby's real name was Frank Serpico. His Father's name was also Frank Serpico, and his nickname was also Farby. His Father had a first cousin, also named Frank Serpico, also nicknamed Farby, and he had a son, also named Frank Serpico, also nicknamed Farby.

So you had two first cousins, and two second cousins, all named Frank Serpico, all nicknamed Farby, and all involved in the Genovese family. If you didn't know them, or of their family, it would be nearly impossible for an outsider to comprehend. The stupid Feds couldn't tell them apart for years. And that's not to mention the two Barneys

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by **East Bronx** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:01 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote:It´s confusing. Both "our" DeVita and the one who passed back in March were formerly of Livingston, NJ. And they share the same first and last names. What are the odds for that? The year of birth shown in the obitaury is off though. "Our" Devita was born in 1935 or 1931. (1935 according to the attachment posted above but 1931 according to newspaper articles on him.)

It's not him, HK. It's a cousin.

"Our" DeVita (I like that

) is about 85. Plus, this obit says formerly of Livingston. "Our" DeVita was born in Sicily. And I've never seen an obit in my life where an American who was born in Italy didn't have it mentioned in his/her obit.

All moot, anyway. It's definitely not him. Westside Sil is alive and well. And Rocco is right about his spending his winters in Boynton Beach. He has a place in Ocean Ridge.

by B. » Sun May 31, 2015 11:28 pm

Speaking of DeVita, one of the more interesting things on the mary ferrell site that I've seen is the doc about Ralph Rosania, who was convicted with DeVita in that murder case, being inducted by Vincenzo Piazza in a prison making ceremony in 1956. Rosania has never been listed as a member elsewhere and he continued to live in Newark after his release from prison. Informants said that Piazza headed an organization in prison, but Piazza himself was apparently a Cosa Nostra member in New Jersey (def an early candidate for the Newark family), so the question is if he had authority to make members in prison or if he was just running his own bogus organization within prison. George Insinnia, a witness to this ceremony and a member of this apparent group, was also from Newark.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:21 pm

Wtf is it with Genovese captains having doppelgänger's?! Doesnt Barney have a namesake cousin as well?

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