THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Lefty_Ruggiero wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:12 am I reuploaded Part 1 of the Massino testimony with subtitles, headphones are recommended. Link is https://youtu.be/7f0mm2pNm1U.

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:47 pm Look at all these names, all scary guys.....how the fuck did Joe Bonanno who comes across as a nause of an old man, soft and full of shit, keep all these psychos in line? Well, at least up until the banana wars.

That’s probably it, Bonanno comes across as a week old fool on that 60 minutes thing....but maybe he’s a good actor.

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:47 pm Look at all these names, all scary guys.....how the fuck did Joe Bonanno who comes across as a nause of an old man, soft and full of shit, keep all these psychos in line? Well, at least up until the banana wars.

That’s probably it, Bonanno comes across as a week old fool on that 60 minutes thing....but maybe he’s a good actor.

Chaps wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:11 am

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:00 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:57 pm What's missing in the Galante boss or not boss is who was the sanctioned acting boss. If not Galante as acting boss, than who????????

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:16 pm

Sure Sonny Red and Carmine was close I read somewhere no Galante hit no three capo hit no boventre no George etc but coulda woulda shoulda
The Sicilians obviously went along with it, and probably benefitted from his death. I imagine he was draining them financially pretty good from junk sales, etc.
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But it would always be the NYC commission that voted his death; Gambino, Genovese, Colombo, etc.... even his Bonanno hierarchy would have to approve or there’d be a war afterwards..... but there was NO war! Which only confirms that it was a sanctioned hit!

Do you know if Phil Lucky and the other 2 capos were Galante loyalists Maxi? I know they were killed a few years later, but I wonder if they tried to take over from Rastelli in response to the Galante hit, or if they just saw an opportunity?

The Bonannos and their power struggles! I find it all so interesting

Kid, I’m sorry. I really don’t know where their loyalties were. If I had to toss the dice I’d say Sonny Red Indelicato being a Mulberry st guy would be near Lilo. But his son Bruno was one of the shooters of Lilo you know? .... so who knows! These alignments and loyalties shift like the sand often times with these guys!

Ozgoz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:47 pm Look at all these names, all scary guys.....how the fuck did Joe Bonanno who comes across as a nause of an old man, soft and full of shit, keep all these psychos in line? Well, at least up until the banana wars.

That’s probably it, Bonanno comes across as a week old fool on that 60 minutes thing....but maybe he’s a good actor.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:28 am

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm
Do you know if Phil Lucky and the other 2 capos were Galante loyalists Maxi? I know they were killed a few years later, but I wonder if they tried to take over from Rastelli in response to the Galante hit, or if they just saw an opportunity?

The Bonannos and their power struggles! I find it all so interesting

Phil Rastelli gave Sonny Red and Philly Lucky the Galante hit. They had Big Trin, Sonnys kid Bruno and if I remember correctly Russel Mauro do the actual hit. Sonny and Phil were rewarded with stewardship of Galantes drug operation. As time went by they stared to believe they could do a better job running the family than the perpetually jailed Rastelli. They made some moves and paid for it with their lives.

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm
Do you know if Phil Lucky and the other 2 capos were Galante loyalists Maxi? I know they were killed a few years later, but I wonder if they tried to take over from Rastelli in response to the Galante hit, or if they just saw an opportunity?

The Bonannos and their power struggles! I find it all so interesting

eboli wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:41 am

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:15 am Thanks for the replies, I hadn’t heard that Trinchera was one of the shooters, so they definitely weren’t upset about Galante being hit.

Going back to Massino, when did he become acting boss for Rastelli? From what I recall, Rastelli spent almost his whole reign either on trial or behind bars.

Some time after Ferrugia stepped down, so that would be circa 1984. By 1987 when he was found guilty on racketeering charges they had a ruling panel, consisting of Anthony Spero, Sal Vitale and Louie HaHa that lasted until Massino got out of jail in 1992 and was official by that time since Rastelli died the previous year.

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:15 am Thanks for the replies, I hadn’t heard that Trinchera was one of the shooters, so they definitely weren’t upset about Galante being hit.

Going back to Massino, when did he become acting boss for Rastelli? From what I recall, Rastelli spent almost his whole reign either on trial or behind bars.

Chaps wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:11 am

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:00 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:57 pm What's missing in the Galante boss or not boss is who was the sanctioned acting boss. If not Galante as acting boss, than who????????

thekiduknow wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:21 pm

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:16 pm

The Sicilians obviously went along with it, and probably benefitted from his death. I imagine he was draining them financially pretty good from junk sales, etc.
-
But it would always be the NYC commission that voted his death; Gambino, Genovese, Colombo, etc.... even his Bonanno hierarchy would have to approve or there’d be a war afterwards..... but there was NO war! Which only confirms that it was a sanctioned hit!

Do you know if Phil Lucky and the other 2 capos were Galante loyalists Maxi? I know they were killed a few years later, but I wonder if they tried to take over from Rastelli in response to the Galante hit, or if they just saw an opportunity?

The Bonannos and their power struggles! I find it all so interesting

Kid, I’m sorry. I really don’t know where their loyalties were. If I had to toss the dice I’d say Sonny Red Indelicato being a Mulberry st guy would be near Lilo. But his son Bruno was one of the shooters of Lilo you know? .... so who knows! These alignments and loyalties shift like the sand often times with these guys!