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Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by JCB1977 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:43 pm

Frank wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:23 pm I assume the reason is that he would bring more heat from LE , if he won the election to get his position back.
That’s never been debated. Fitz was the mob’s guy. Jimmy had a limit with them and did say no to certain propositions...it was a free for all with Fitz. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter why they wanted him gone. Jimmy did and said whatever the fuck he wanted and challenged every bit of authority he could. Those old timers from the mid 70’s saw it as a liability. I just find this so unbelievable that the guys involved have kept this a secret for this long...if there is anybody who was strongly considered a suspect still alive which I do not believe there are , this secret will never come out. There may still be some people who knew Jimmy had to go, but I don’t believe they knew any specific details. At least not based off of all the current evidence that is out there. Kudos to Detroit for pulling off one of the crimes of the century and getting away with scotch free. Shows how tight and strong their family was for a long time.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Frank » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:23 pm

I assume the reason is that he would bring more heat from LE , if he won the election to get his position back.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Frank » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:17 pm

Fughedaboutit wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:49 pm This hit would have had to be commission sanctioned I would think?
My opinion, most definitely. It's the teamsters, multiple Families were involved with them.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Fughedaboutit » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:49 pm

This hit would have had to be commission sanctioned I would think?

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Wiseguy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:02 pm

maxiestern11 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:21 pm
JCB1977 wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:00 pm To begin with, it makes no sense that Northeast mob families would be given the task of whacking Hoffa, whose murder was likely sanctioned by the Mafia Commission since he was such a prominent national figure. He was an associate of the Detroit family. They could do it without raising Hoffa's suspicions. And too many things could go wrong with a plan involving a New Jersey hit team traveling to Detroit, killing Hoffa and then transporting his body 600 miles for burial in the Garden State.

Chucky O'Brien knows a lot more than he has led on. Tony Jack lured Hoffa to a supposed truce meeting. The evidence for that is a reminder note that Hoffa left on his desk. In addition, Hoffa told others about this meeting. Outside the Machus Red Fox restaurant, Hoffa was picked up, probably by Giacalone's brother Vito (Billy Jack), possibly with a few others. Billy Jack's presence would make sense to Hoffa since he was to meet with his brother.

Billy Jack's location that day has not been pinned down. Hoffa may have been killed in the car, or somewhere else. His body was most likely disposed of in the Detroit area. It was a very small group that greatly decreased the likelihood that an informer could learn of it, and rat to the Feds. All the Detroit characters are deceased now, thus there is little chance we will ever get a full account of the famous hit, let alone find Hoffa's body.
.... good assessment jcb
Yeah, I think Tony Pro knew about it and signed off on it but the hit team would likely be local.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by maxiestern11 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:21 pm

JCB1977 wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:00 pm To begin with, it makes no sense that Northeast mob families would be given the task of whacking Hoffa, whose murder was likely sanctioned by the Mafia Commission since he was such a prominent national figure. He was an associate of the Detroit family. They could do it without raising Hoffa's suspicions. And too many things could go wrong with a plan involving a New Jersey hit team traveling to Detroit, killing Hoffa and then transporting his body 600 miles for burial in the Garden State.

Chucky O'Brien knows a lot more than he has led on. Tony Jack lured Hoffa to a supposed truce meeting. The evidence for that is a reminder note that Hoffa left on his desk. In addition, Hoffa told others about this meeting. Outside the Machus Red Fox restaurant, Hoffa was picked up, probably by Giacalone's brother Vito (Billy Jack), possibly with a few others. Billy Jack's presence would make sense to Hoffa since he was to meet with his brother.

Billy Jack's location that day has not been pinned down. Hoffa may have been killed in the car, or somewhere else. His body was most likely disposed of in the Detroit area. It was a very small group that greatly decreased the likelihood that an informer could learn of it, and rat to the Feds. All the Detroit characters are deceased now, thus there is little chance we will ever get a full account of the famous hit, let alone find Hoffa's body.
.... good assessment jcb

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Stroccos » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:16 pm

Remember the cops get paid to go out and look so what do they care if they find him or not

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Fughedaboutit » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:17 pm

Adam wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:59 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 pm
Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:30 pm I have the worst luck trying to upload files, but the August 4th, 1981 article on the investigation has Licata shot once in the chest.
Wasnt it with a rifle though and at an odd angle? Or did I get that wrong as well?
I'm not sure if you're thinking of this one, but a California investor named Myford Irvine died after shooting himself twice with a shotgun and then in the head with a .22 in 1960 and that was ruled a suicide. He had connections to Pete Licavoli and there are FBI files that reference information that it was a murder that came out of Detroit.
Could be, I am probably getting a few of them mixed up. Thanks.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Adam » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:59 am

Fughedaboutit wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 pm
Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:30 pm I have the worst luck trying to upload files, but the August 4th, 1981 article on the investigation has Licata shot once in the chest.
Wasnt it with a rifle though and at an odd angle? Or did I get that wrong as well?
I'm not sure if you're thinking of this one, but a California investor named Myford Irvine died after shooting himself twice with a shotgun and then in the head with a .22 in 1960 and that was ruled a suicide. He had connections to Pete Licavoli and there are FBI files that reference information that it was a murder that came out of Detroit.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Fughedaboutit » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 pm

Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:30 pm I have the worst luck trying to upload files, but the August 4th, 1981 article on the investigation has Licata shot once in the chest.
Wasnt it with a rifle though and at an odd angle? Or did I get that wrong as well?

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Adam » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:30 pm

I have the worst luck trying to upload files, but the August 4th, 1981 article on the investigation has Licata shot once in the chest.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Fughedaboutit » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:14 pm

Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:01 pm
Fughedaboutit wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:51 am
Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:58 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:40 pm Someone mentioned a made guy that had a funeral home within 10 miles or so of there with the ability to cremate a body, smart play and most likely scenario imo

Detroit for their small size and scope had some really well planned out hits. Hoffa, and the "suicide" of the one guy with 2 shots to the back of the head lol
If you're referring to the David Widlak death, he wasn't shot twice. Just the one time I believe.
I thought it was the guy that owned the house where Hoffa might have met his end, started mouthing off then had a mysterious suicide, but I could be remembering wrong.
Ah. You're thinking Carlo Licata. Carlo is still listed as a suicide, but he's listed as shooting himself in the chest. But also I believe only once.
Yep Licata. I read it off mafia wiki so thats probably why the error. Do you have an article describing the suicide? I will post the excerpt below.


On July 30, 1981, on the six year anniversary of Hoffa's disappearance and presumed death, Licata was found in his master bedroom killed by two gunshot wounds to the chest. It has been speculated that he was possibly killed because he knew a too much about the Hoffa disappearance. He was 56 years old. His murder has never been solved.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by JCB1977 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:00 pm

To begin with, it makes no sense that Northeast mob families would be given the task of whacking Hoffa, whose murder was likely sanctioned by the Mafia Commission since he was such a prominent national figure. He was an associate of the Detroit family. They could do it without raising Hoffa's suspicions. And too many things could go wrong with a plan involving a New Jersey hit team traveling to Detroit, killing Hoffa and then transporting his body 600 miles for burial in the Garden State.

Chucky O'Brien knows a lot more than he has led on. Tony Jack lured Hoffa to a supposed truce meeting. The evidence for that is a reminder note that Hoffa left on his desk. In addition, Hoffa told others about this meeting. Outside the Machus Red Fox restaurant, Hoffa was picked up, probably by Giacalone's brother Vito (Billy Jack), possibly with a few others. Billy Jack's presence would make sense to Hoffa since he was to meet with his brother.

Billy Jack's location that day has not been pinned down. Hoffa may have been killed in the car, or somewhere else. His body was most likely disposed of in the Detroit area. It was a very small group that greatly decreased the likelihood that an informer could learn of it, and rat to the Feds. All the Detroit characters are deceased now, thus there is little chance we will ever get a full account of the famous hit, let alone find Hoffa's body.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Adam » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:01 pm

Fughedaboutit wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:51 am
Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:58 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:40 pm Someone mentioned a made guy that had a funeral home within 10 miles or so of there with the ability to cremate a body, smart play and most likely scenario imo

Detroit for their small size and scope had some really well planned out hits. Hoffa, and the "suicide" of the one guy with 2 shots to the back of the head lol
If you're referring to the David Widlak death, he wasn't shot twice. Just the one time I believe.
I thought it was the guy that owned the house where Hoffa might have met his end, started mouthing off then had a mysterious suicide, but I could be remembering wrong.
Ah. You're thinking Carlo Licata. Carlo is still listed as a suicide, but he's listed as shooting himself in the chest. But also I believe only once.

Re: Jimmy Hoffa search in Hillsdale the other day

by Fughedaboutit » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:51 am

Adam wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:58 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:40 pm Someone mentioned a made guy that had a funeral home within 10 miles or so of there with the ability to cremate a body, smart play and most likely scenario imo

Detroit for their small size and scope had some really well planned out hits. Hoffa, and the "suicide" of the one guy with 2 shots to the back of the head lol
If you're referring to the David Widlak death, he wasn't shot twice. Just the one time I believe.
I thought it was the guy that owned the house where Hoffa might have met his end, started mouthing off then had a mysterious suicide, but I could be remembering wrong.

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