by Wiseguy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:09 pm
crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:36 am
More LCN families died because there was nobody to replace the old mafiosi and seems strange that in a city where the white are less than 10% survive a LCN family where in cities with more italian popolation the family died.
I think that at least the Detroit Mafia is more than a gambling ring that a LCN family, that made money only for invest it in legit bussiness.
And that's typically the last racket you see when essentially everything else is gone, be it other rackets or an organization behind it. Examples would be video poker busts in Pittsburgh or the bookmaking bust in Kansas City over the past decade. Everyone has died out or gone basically legit with perhaps some remnants involved in some form of gambling.
Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:48 am
Detroit and Chicago are pretty similar in a lot of respect. Chicago was more entrenched so it will be a little longer before they become extinct. I think the recruiting pool is there in Chicago but their senior members gradually became more concerned with dying rich and free, especially after Family Secrets. They saw what happened to Marcello, Lombardo, and Frank Sr. and decided that the risk of continuing to associate with a criminal organization was not in their long term interests. I'm sure there are plenty of young guys out there who in the past would have been mentored by senior guys but are now leaderless because top guys like Solly D, D'Amico, Toots, etc. want nothing to do with them and the risks they may bring. Some of these top guys may be collecting the occasional envelope from a handful of trusted guys but they probably have no real interest in continuing to preserve the legacy of the Outfit. Guys like Vena seem to be the exception to the rule nowadays.
Agreed.
A good example of the "outgrowing crime" thing with Chicago is how you see the descendants of dead Outfit guys involved in companies that provide health insurance services to unions. Some will recognize the name connected, albeit indirectly, to a union and assume its an Outfit operation. But it's more likely these are family members who simply gravitated to those positions because of their Outfit fathers, uncles, etc and are basically legit for all intents and purposes.
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More LCN families died because there was nobody to replace the old mafiosi and seems strange that in a city where the white are less than 10% survive a LCN family where in cities with more italian popolation the family died.
I think that at least the Detroit Mafia is more than a gambling ring that a LCN family, that made money only for invest it in legit bussiness.
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And that's typically the last racket you see when essentially everything else is gone, be it other rackets or an organization behind it. Examples would be video poker busts in Pittsburgh or the bookmaking bust in Kansas City over the past decade. Everyone has died out or gone basically legit with perhaps some remnants involved in some form of gambling.
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Detroit and Chicago are pretty similar in a lot of respect. Chicago was more entrenched so it will be a little longer before they become extinct. I think the recruiting pool is there in Chicago but their senior members gradually became more concerned with dying rich and free, especially after Family Secrets. They saw what happened to Marcello, Lombardo, and Frank Sr. and decided that the risk of continuing to associate with a criminal organization was not in their long term interests. I'm sure there are plenty of young guys out there who in the past would have been mentored by senior guys but are now leaderless because top guys like Solly D, D'Amico, Toots, etc. want nothing to do with them and the risks they may bring. Some of these top guys may be collecting the occasional envelope from a handful of trusted guys but they probably have no real interest in continuing to preserve the legacy of the Outfit. Guys like Vena seem to be the exception to the rule nowadays.
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Agreed.
A good example of the "outgrowing crime" thing with Chicago is how you see the descendants of dead Outfit guys involved in companies that provide health insurance services to unions. Some will recognize the name connected, albeit indirectly, to a union and assume its an Outfit operation. But it's more likely these are family members who simply gravitated to those positions because of their Outfit fathers, uncles, etc and are basically legit for all intents and purposes.