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by **crazyjoegallo** » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:04 am

I think:

1)Philly;
2)Boston;
3)Chicago;
4)Detroit;

by **sharpieone** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:25 pm

in town, boston.

by **Confederate** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:50 pm

Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:37 pm I asked this the other day but didn't get a real definitive answer, does anyone have an opinion on who is the most active family outside of the New York 5?

I think the general consensus was that New Jersey, Philly, Chicago & New England are all about the same. I suppose, if push came to shove and you had to pick one, maybe Philly? They seem to have a little more activity.

by **JeremyTheJew** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:47 pm

Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:37 pm I asked this the other day but didn't get a real definitive answer, does anyone have an opinion on who is the most active family outside of the New York 5?

Philly id say

by **Rat** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:37 pm

I asked this the other day but didn't get a real definitive answer, does anyone have an opinion on who is the most active family outside of the New York 5?

by **Homerthedog** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 pm

Slumpy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:16 pm
Homerthedog wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:02 pm

Now as far as Buffalo wasn't there a report that Domenico Violi, head of the Luppino 'ndrina in Hamilton, made underboss recently? He reportedly said that he beat out 30 other guys for the post. Thus he was the highest ranking mobster in the American Cosa Nostra.
The Luppino's aren't a 'ndrina, they are members of American Cosa Nostra.
Wikipedia falsely labels all the Hamilton factions as 'ndrangheta (due to the key players and/or founders being of Calabrian descent, or having immigrated from Calabria, or immigrating from a Province with a 'ndrina) while also expressly stating their LCN allegiances, I am guessing this is where the misconception is coming from - I've been seeing it on Reddit fairly often as well. I don't know how whomever wrote the articles reconciled what is clearly a massive contradiction, but whatever. Mafia wikipedia pages would be way better off if they let the posters of this forum do all the editing, honestly.

I think the Siderno group is 'ndrangheta since it operates as a board of control for the 'ndrine back home if not mistaken but they are Toronto and other places.

by **Slumpy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:50 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:16 pm
Homerthedog wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:02 pm

Now as far as Buffalo wasn't there a report that Domenico Violi, head of the Luppino 'ndrina in Hamilton, made underboss recently? He reportedly said that he beat out 30 other guys for the post. Thus he was the highest ranking mobster in the American Cosa Nostra.
The Luppino's aren't a 'ndrina, they are members of American Cosa Nostra.

Wikipedia falsely labels all the Hamilton factions as 'ndrangheta (due to the key players and/or founders being of Calabrian descent, or having immigrated from Calabria, or immigrating from a Province with a 'ndrina) while also expressly stating their LCN allegiances, I am guessing this is where the misconception is coming from - I've been seeing it on Reddit fairly often as well. I don't know how whomever wrote the articles reconciled what is clearly a massive contradiction, but whatever. Mafia wikipedia pages would be way better off if they let the posters of this forum do all the editing, honestly.

by **Frank** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:43 pm

Not only the Outfit, but the Daley Machine. Controlled jobs and contracts. Jobs through nepotism.

by **Snakes** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:34 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:09 pm
Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:48 am Detroit and Chicago are pretty similar in a lot of respect. Chicago was more entrenched so it will be a little longer before they become extinct. I think the recruiting pool is there in Chicago but their senior members gradually became more concerned with dying rich and free, especially after Family Secrets. They saw what happened to Marcello, Lombardo, and Frank Sr. and decided that the risk of continuing to associate with a criminal organization was not in their long term interests. I'm sure there are plenty of young guys out there who in the past would have been mentored by senior guys but are now leaderless because top guys like Solly D, D'Amico, Toots, etc. want nothing to do with them and the risks they may bring. Some of these top guys may be collecting the occasional envelope from a handful of trusted guys but they probably have no real interest in continuing to preserve the legacy of the Outfit. Guys like Vena seem to be the exception to the rule nowadays.
Agreed.

A good example of the "outgrowing crime" thing with Chicago is how you see the descendants of dead Outfit guys involved in companies that provide health insurance services to unions. Some will recognize the name connected, albeit indirectly, to a union and assume its an Outfit operation. But it's more likely these are family members who simply gravitated to those positions because of their Outfit fathers, uncles, etc and are basically legit for all intents and purposes.

A good example of that is Joseph Lombardo, Jr., of all people. His name was mentioned during one of the Laborers hearings concerning Outfit involvement and it was determined that he was not associated with organized crime and was actually a hard worker. Regardless of how these guys get these jobs (nepotism or what not), some of them are basically legit guys that have benefited from their ancestors' involvement in O.C.

by **Wiseguy** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:09 pm

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:36 am More LCN families died because there was nobody to replace the old mafiosi and seems strange that in a city where the white are less than 10% survive a LCN family where in cities with more italian popolation the family died.
I think that at least the Detroit Mafia is more than a gambling ring that a LCN family, that made money only for invest it in legit bussiness.

And that's typically the last racket you see when essentially everything else is gone, be it other rackets or an organization behind it. Examples would be video poker busts in Pittsburgh or the bookmaking bust in Kansas City over the past decade. Everyone has died out or gone basically legit with perhaps some remnants involved in some form of gambling.

Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:48 am Detroit and Chicago are pretty similar in a lot of respect. Chicago was more entrenched so it will be a little longer before they become extinct. I think the recruiting pool is there in Chicago but their senior members gradually became more concerned with dying rich and free, especially after Family Secrets. They saw what happened to Marcello, Lombardo, and Frank Sr. and decided that the risk of continuing to associate with a criminal organization was not in their long term interests. I'm sure there are plenty of young guys out there who in the past would have been mentored by senior guys but are now leaderless because top guys like Solly D, D'Amico, Toots, etc. want nothing to do with them and the risks they may bring. Some of these top guys may be collecting the occasional envelope from a handful of trusted guys but they probably have no real interest in continuing to preserve the legacy of the Outfit. Guys like Vena seem to be the exception to the rule nowadays.

Agreed.

A good example of the "outgrowing crime" thing with Chicago is how you see the descendants of dead Outfit guys involved in companies that provide health insurance services to unions. Some will recognize the name connected, albeit indirectly, to a union and assume its an Outfit operation. But it's more likely these are family members who simply gravitated to those positions because of their Outfit fathers, uncles, etc and are basically legit for all intents and purposes.

by **Snakes** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:48 am

Detroit and Chicago are pretty similar in a lot of respect. Chicago was more entrenched so it will be a little longer before they become extinct. I think the recruiting pool is there in Chicago but their senior members gradually became more concerned with dying rich and free, especially after Family Secrets. They saw what happened to Marcello, Lombardo, and Frank Sr. and decided that the risk of continuing to associate with a criminal organization was not in their long term interests. I'm sure there are plenty of young guys out there who in the past would have been mentored by senior guys but are now leaderless because top guys like Solly D, D'Amico, Toots, etc. want nothing to do with them and the risks they may bring. Some of these top guys may be collecting the occasional envelope from a handful of trusted guys but they probably have no real interest in continuing to preserve the legacy of the Outfit. Guys like Vena seem to be the exception to the rule nowadays.

by **crazyjoegallo** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:36 am

More LCN families died because there was nobody to replace the old mafiosi and seems strange that in a city where the white are less than 10% survive a LCN family where in cities with more italian popolation the family died.
I think that at least the Detroit Mafia is more than a gambling ring that a LCN family, that made money only for invest it in legit bussiness.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:50 am

I think it was a combination of all of the above. The same thing happened to many families outside the northeast.

Pogo

by **Ozgoz** » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:05 am

Would it be accurate to say with Detroit they have not so much been crushed by the FBI / fizzled out / lost to attrition...... but more they outgrew crime?

Intermarriage and degrees and business, they became successful enough to not need crime, and so are the only mafia success story?

Which means people think they’re operating in the shadows, but really are not?

Or is that still sounding like fan boy ism?

by **Moscone65** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:23 pm

Did a little bit of research into the last name tallarico. It’s a calabrese surname with the highest density of Italian Americans with that name concentrated in Pennsylvania. Who is this tallarico guy? Seems like some random Italian American criminal, maybe an associate, why’d he come from Pittsburgh for this? Strange

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