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by **richard_belding** » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:12 am

An interesting case, especially if Cowboy was the shooter since Long John was allegedly at the table with Bouras and Jannet Curro when they were murdered.

Shame what happened with Neil Ferber, who spent 3and half years in prison and was scheduled to the chair for a double murder he likely didnt commit. The city agreed to a 1.9 million civil suit for the unjust jailing, not a bad payday

by **Snakes** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:04 pm

Pogo, the mods have talked to Fug. He was fairly respectful (at least by this board's standards) when he first addressed your post. Let's avoid the name calling.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:02 pm

SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:06 am Any idea why he never got made? Did they pull them off the streets before he got a chance to get his button?

That was probably it. His dad had just been made in 1981 and was imprisoned not long after. George was imprisoned in what, 1983? I'd imagine if he and has dad had managed to stay on the street a little longer he would have been made considering how Scarfo was handing out buttons like they were candy.

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:59 pm [quote=Snakes post_id=101433 time=<a href="tel:1550543739">1550543739</a> user_id=66]
You've both made your stances clear (and quite tamely, too, I may add). Let's move on.

Well, I was tame in comparison. He called me a trolling asshole and I was respectful still. I will move on but Pogo needs to be addressed. I was not taking personal shots like that.
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You have been trolling me and taking shots for years. So stop lying. Hell how many posters have you attacked and started shit with just in the last week? I count at least 6? You are a cancer and a troll that adds nothing to this forum.

Pogo

by **Fughedaboutit** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:59 pm

Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:35 pm You've both made your stances clear (and quite tamely, too, I may add). Let's move on.

Well, I was tame in comparison. He called me a trolling asshole and I was respectful still. I will move on but Pogo needs to be addressed. I was not taking personal shots like that.

by **Snakes** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:35 pm

You've both made your stances clear (and quite tamely, too, I may add). Let's move on.

by **Fughedaboutit** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:27 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:05 pm He was implicated in the murder by a LE source and a made member informant. That is proof enough by the standards we go by on the forums unless there is other information contradicting it. I mean we are not in a court of law here.

Using Fughedaboutit logic we can never state as fact that Carlo Gambino, Al Capone or Angelo Bruno ever ordered a murder since they were never convicted or even charged with it. We can't even say they were mobsters since that was never "proven". But of course it is not about that. It is the fact that I said it and he has an obsession with me and so saw it as an opportunity to start shit like he always does. Notice he has never said shit when other posters make the same statements.

Pogo

You are talking about bosses accused of multiple murders...Capone, Gambino, and Bruno against a single claim against an associate?

You are comparing 3 of the most well known bosses...to an associate...man you are really grasping. It is actually pathetic. LMAO

Talk about obsession. wow, you really are obsessed.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:05 pm

He was implicated in the murder by a LE source and a made member informant. That is proof enough by the standards we go by on the forums unless there is other information contradicting it. I mean we are not in a court of law here.

Using Fughedaboutit logic we can never state as fact that Carlo Gambino, Al Capone or Angelo Bruno ever ordered a murder since they were never convicted or even charged with it. We can't even say they were mobsters since that was never "proven".

But of course it is not about that. It is the fact that I said it and he has an obsession with me and so saw it as an opportunity to start shit like he always does. Notice he has never said shit when other posters make the same statements.

Pogo

by **slimshady_007** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:25 pm

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:46 pm
dack2001 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:39 am I think you are both right here. Long John was identified as the one who put the hit in motion on orders from Scarfo. Friel is pretty convinced that Long John's son and Frank Vadino were the shooters but they were never charged. Vadino was a trusted associate of Albert Daidone and Long John and Natale. Natale may have been told who did the hit but he can't be trusted at all.

That all said, Friel's theory that it is young martorano is based upon some supposition, to say the least. No one involved on the plot identified both as the shooters. Remember Neil Ferber? Well, law enforcement thought he was a killer for a long time as well based upon shitty information and bad police work. It makes sense that someone close to Long John would be used as the shooter but it also strains credulity that he would use his son to do a shooting in front of his mother. Really risky to say the least. I think people should have more than supposition and guesses before they brand this guy a heinous case closed killer who got away with murder but he can be referred to as a suspect in the shooting for sure.
Yeah there was nothing clear, so it was incorrect to state it as if it was fact and then some posters who dont know any better take it as fact as well.

Either way, the guy was given a ridiculous amount of time for what the charges were.

He got a life sentence after pleading guilty to drug charges. I’ve seen guys get much less time for a violent crime. Bs sentence but atleast he’s finally out.

by **Fughedaboutit** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:46 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:39 am I think you are both right here. Long John was identified as the one who put the hit in motion on orders from Scarfo. Friel is pretty convinced that Long John's son and Frank Vadino were the shooters but they were never charged. Vadino was a trusted associate of Albert Daidone and Long John and Natale. Natale may have been told who did the hit but he can't be trusted at all.

That all said, Friel's theory that it is young martorano is based upon some supposition, to say the least. No one involved on the plot identified both as the shooters. Remember Neil Ferber? Well, law enforcement thought he was a killer for a long time as well based upon shitty information and bad police work. It makes sense that someone close to Long John would be used as the shooter but it also strains credulity that he would use his son to do a shooting in front of his mother. Really risky to say the least. I think people should have more than supposition and guesses before they brand this guy a heinous case closed killer who got away with murder but he can be referred to as a suspect in the shooting for sure.

Yeah there was nothing clear, so it was incorrect to state it as if it was fact and then some posters who dont know any better take it as fact as well.

Either way, the guy was given a ridiculous amount of time for what the charges were.

by **dack2001** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:39 am

I think you are both right here. Long John was identified as the one who put the hit in motion on orders from Scarfo. Friel is pretty convinced that Long John's son and Frank Vadino were the shooters but they were never charged. Vadino was a trusted associate of Albert Daidone and Long John and Natale. Natale may have been told who did the hit but he can't be trusted at all.

That all said, Friel's theory that it is young martorano is based upon some supposition, to say the least. No one involved on the plot identified both as the shooters. Remember Neil Ferber? Well, law enforcement thought he was a killer for a long time as well based upon shitty information and bad police work. It makes sense that someone close to Long John would be used as the shooter but it also strains credulity that he would use his son to do a shooting in front of his mother. Really risky to say the least. I think people should have more than supposition and guesses before they brand this guy a heinous case closed killer who got away with murder but he can be referred to as a suspect in the shooting for sure.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:08 pm

Almost all mob murders are "unproven". Doesn't mean we don't who was behind them. You are just being a typical trolling asshole like you always are.

Pogo

by **Fughedaboutit** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:43 pm

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:17 pm I think the theory is that the shooters were supposed to be George Martorano and Frank Vadino. In Breaking the Mob, Friel writes that one of the plans to kill Harry Riccobene was for Long John Martorano and Vadino to ambush him in an abandoned lot, indicating that at least Vadino was trusted by Martorano to carry out a contract. In his book, Ralph Natale also states that Vadino and George Martorano carried it out (though that's Natale talking about something that happened while he was in jail, so...) Friel also states that one of the shooters fired shoots into the air while the other one opened fire on Bouras and Curro.
IIRC, DelGiorno said that he, Faffy Iannarella and Pat Spirito were supposed to be the hit team until they got taken off it for some reason but got their chance to earn their buttons a few months later with John Calabrese.

Like I said, a theory and nothing was ever proven. Yet Pogo comes in here and states it as if it is fact.

by **chin_gigante** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:17 pm

I think the theory is that the shooters were supposed to be George Martorano and Frank Vadino. In Breaking the Mob, Friel writes that one of the plans to kill Harry Riccobene was for Long John Martorano and Vadino to ambush him in an abandoned lot, indicating that at least Vadino was trusted by Martorano to carry out a contract. In his book, Ralph Natale also states that Vadino and George Martorano carried it out (though that's Natale talking about something that happened while he was in jail, so...) Friel also states that one of the shooters fired shoots into the air while the other one opened fire on Bouras and Curro.
IIRC, DelGiorno said that he, Faffy Iannarella and Pat Spirito were supposed to be the hit team until they got taken off it for some reason but got their chance to earn their buttons a few months later with John Calabrese.

by **Fughedaboutit** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:30 am

Pete wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:13 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:19 am Yeah a drug trafficking murderer. Poor baby.

Pogo
Who did he kill? He was always labeled the longest serving non violent offender

He was never convicted and it was never proven. It was mentioned in a book that he could have been one of the shooters since the contract went through his dad I believe it was in Blood and Honor maybe?

by **SILENT PARTNERZ** » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:06 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:24 am He was the shooter in the Chelsais Bouras and Jannette Curo hit in 1981.

Pogo

Any idea why he never got made? Did they pull them off the streets before he got a chance to get his button?

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